Somehow I dont think anyone will confuse this
horse with Cigar or Silent Witness. She is the
Mount Union of horses. She wont be confused
with the Division I powerhouses.

Good for the connections doing a nice job
of getting her spots to win.

It did make for a fun late California afternoon viewing of thoroughbred racing on TVG.

We had my mother in law over for brunch/dinner, and she ended up loving listening to the TVG banter today.

Turns out she once had a dog named "Pepper," so she was pulling for #15 for Pepper in the 11th.

15 is hard to do, no matter when, where, or how.

That's what TVG guys said, and I concur. Nice entertainment, and a great Easter opportunity to resurrect the names of Man O'War, Cigar, and Buckpasser.....to give homage to a few....

Well, Saturday just may be your "lucky" day.. She goes for her 16th! at SunRay Park in the 9th race. Go Pepper!!!

She's only worked just one time since her last race, so she may be vulnerable :p Course she did the same before her 15th win as well.

Looks like she made it. Won the 9th at Sunray, rallying on the rail after running three wide much of the race...according to the charts.



http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...&BorP=B&RACE=A

She did look very good winning the race, to bad the second place finisher broke down after the wire.

Did'nt get to see the race.. Yeah for Pepper!! :) Sad for the horse that broke down :(

The New Mexico Nightmare.

New Mexico Nightmare could also be Roswell, or the White Sands Atomic Projects, dependent upon sanity or political leanings.

Personally, I've scoured many of the Roswell tourist alien "museums" and had a good time.

I've also skirted the White Sands area, and have a picture of myself in front of a remote sign saying "no photography beyond this point," with the requisite list of possible federal penalties. I enjoyed that day, too.

Also saw where Billy the Kid had his final shootout, according to legend.

And have had a good time during live racing at Sunland, and in the off-season OTB at Ruidoso Downs.

I'm getting some pleasure following this 16 race streak, albeit obscure and of obviously debatable thoroughbred racing significance.

Pretty much I follow horses to enjoy the sport, or to make money.

I'll be happy to just lightly enjoy the Pepper's Pride story.

i don't know why anyone would freak out about this-it's a record. not every record is held by the best a sport has ever seen.
i doubt anyone thinks najran is as good as dr fager just because he got the same time at a mile.

Obviously nobody should "freak out" about it, but I don't get how people could actually cheer for this horse to win at this point.
I don't really care very much about the topic at all, but I know that I would rather have horses like Cigar and especially Citation hold a record than somebody like this.

if she breaks the record, it takes nothing away from them-nor does it elevate her. there are plenty of lesser horses who hold these records.
i cheer anything that draws real interest. another horse just last week had a chance at tying-did you see the amount of people who went to that small track to see him run?

What horse was that Zig?

i can't remember his name!! it's driving me nuts. i think the name had 2/3 parts to it, and started with a c. if that helps.

Are you talking about Got Country Grip, the paint?

If so, he was going for his 17th strait, (which would break the record) and was beaten by a short neck. Remington was packed.
http://www.drf.com/news/article/93778.html

I agree with you, Peppers Pride run is fun and in no way diminishes Cigar or Citations record or elevates hers.
Her owner and trainer just seem to be nice guys that are having fun and in no way compare her to Cigar or Citation and don't plan on taking her out of New Mexico. Seems to me they have no grandiose illusions and almost feel uncomfortable when she is compared to Cigar or Citation.
It was sad for all involved that the 2nd place horse Bossy Bush brokedown.

yeah, that's him. i even went to remingtons site, as i thought it happened there. but i had to go to work, so i quit looking. i saw the link posted on equidaily the other day about the huge crowd they had gotten. we need more stuff like that, not less, and certainly no one at remington cared that it wasn't an 'a' list horse running for the record. no 'a' lister hangs around long enough for all that any more.

You'll have to explain that one to me.
How in the world does it not "elevate" her? If she wins 20 in a row before losing, any future horse that comes along with a big win streak will be said to be shooting for "Pepper's Pride's redord." It absolutely elevates her from a horse nobody would even think to remember to somebody that will be brought up every once in awhile until the record falls.
In my opinion.....that's unfortunate.

when she's done and gone, no one will care except those close to her. if a horse goes after the record later, so what. so it's peppers prides record, just like it's najran listed next to dr fager. does anyone think that makes najran as good as dr fager?
i don't see the big deal at all, and i don't understand why anyone makes it out to be one. like they say, records are made to be broken. so she'll be the barry bonds of horse racing.

See what I mean? This comparison is obviously a huge inflation of her talent. Barry Bonds was - even before the roids - a Hall of Fame type talent. She obviously is not, and yet you are comparing the two.
As for your Dr. Fager example, if she breaks the record, her name won't be listed "next to" Citation, Cigar, etc. She'll be the sole recordholder. And furthermore, yeah, I also wish Dr. Fager was still the sole record holder and didn't have to share anything with an inferior animal.
As a fan of the sport, I like it when deserving horses hold the major records rather than horses that took advantage of a souped up track, or connections that took advantage of ridiculously easy spots.
As I said earlier in this thread, I certainly can't blame her connections, but there is no way I would ever cheer for her to break the record either.
I hope she gets beat.

Apples to Oranges... Love that she has'nt been beat.. However I doubt anyone will ever call her a "champion" in the same breath as "Cigar or Citation". There will always be an astrick* because she never ventured out of her comfort zone of New Mexico. Personally, I think they ought to enter her in a nice stake race somewhere just to see what she is made of against some better sticks. Just my opinion and still on the first cup of java..so just saying :D

i think you're taking this WAY too seriously. the sun will rise tomorrow, if she wins or loses next out. 'better' horses than her will never have an opportunity to break the record, as they don't even manage 17 starts any more.
have you ever looked at the world records for various distances? how many are household names? how many can you name without looking them up?

she runs in stakes now, and no, no one will call her champ or great. consistent on the other hand, absolutely.

What? I'm not taking it seriously at all. I just want her to lose. If she doesn't....oh well. But if I had my preference, I hope she gets beat. What in the world makes you think I am taking this seriously?
And obviously I am well aware that many other crappy horses have records. So what? Does that mean I have to like it?
All I am saying is that I would RATHER have this record belong to good horses than a crappy one. That's it. Why is that so hard to understand?

i felt the same way about najran when he broke dr fagers record to be honest with you. but then came the realization that it took nothing away from dr fager that he's sharing the time with a lesser horse.

Super read and I hope she breaks the record. Nice to read about a very successful horse spotted at her legitimate competitive level. That really has to help her confidence.

Ruidoso Downs on July 27th. I'll mark it down.

I stopped by Ruidoso Downs in late May on a cross country drive from Gainesville FL to the San Francisco Bay area. It's the 2nd time I've been there, though never for live racing.

It's a beautiful little track in a very unique mountain and wooded setting in New Mexico.

I've had Joel Marr and Joe Allen on the show several times during this run, and the two of them couldn't be nicer.. Have been rooting this mare along since the story came to light last year. (And of course I have a kindred spirit in Allen who has a rather famed Barbecue joint in Abilene...)

Besides, there was a horse in Puerto Rico named Camarero whose record rivals Kincsem's 54 wins, racing back in the 1950s. He won 73 of 77, 56 of them in a row. True, he was running against a limited group of horses repeatedly, just like Peppers Pride is, not at what amounted to international G1 level like Kincsem did. Citation's record was accomplished vs., for the most part, top class runners, but it was a 'modern record' for consecutive wins if you only count mainland US.

Unfortunately, Citation, Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams won't have their record of 16 North American modern day wins challenged today.

The track is unplayable due to flooding.

http://www.koat.com/news/17005517/detail.html

HRTV had a decent phone interview with Joe Allen around 12:30 or so. (It may be replayed)

NYT also had a nice article
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/sp...tml?ref=sports

WOW...that is just terrible for the area, very devasting!

There is a picture of the track on this MSNBC news story. Crazy amount of water...

I'm up to 360 in a row wins over Harlem Rocker when I race him to AP Arrow's stall and back. At least I'm beating a potential Travers winner.

To me....your streak is more impressive.
Again, I guess I'll be one of the very few people rooting against her attempt to break this record. I still don't see why people would cheer for a horse like this to break Citation's record. It just doesn't make sense to me. To me it is pretty cool that a horse THAT good, from THAT long ago still holds a share of a record like that. I think it would be a shame to see that go away because of a horse like this.
If some mighty New Mexico bred steps up and stops her streak, I would be happy to cheer for Pepper's Pride in any future races in which she enters. But to cheer for her to top horses like Citation and even Cigar......no way.

For what it's worth, I agree

I think maybe you should have a match race with Pepper......:p

* * *

With respect and affection I'm having a hard time understanding the point of view of some.

No one is saying she's Citation or Silent Witness here...

Nice horse who stays within her element and wins. Good for her.

Impressive streak, obcourse I'm abit more partial to Silent Witness's streak.

I understand the sentiment completely. I want the Citation's and Secretariat's of the world to be associated with revered records of the sport.

That said, I'll be rooting solidly for Pepper's Pride.

To me, it's apples and oranges to Citation's co-held streak.

And to history, if she gets it, it will be as well.

Any serious baseball fan knows Joe DiMaggio does NOT own the longest professional baseball hitting streak.

Joe Wilhoit does. 69 games over 56.

Wilhoit's accomplishment was tremendous and great. Pro baseball is and was pro baseball.

But, history and logic favors the Joe DiMaggio record, and Wilhoit is a little known asterisk.

She runs this Sunday at the usual track..Race #10
Go Pepper!! :)

Zia Park - October 4th, 2008 - Race 8
Estimated Local Post Time: 3:17 PM
Race Type: Allowance Optional Claiming
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Sex: Fillies and Mares
Restriction: State Bred Purse: $38,200
Distance: Six Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name Claiming Price
1 Mega Dome (NM) 4 Filly 120 Ken S. Tohill $0
2 Complete Pride (NM) 5 Mare 120 Jorge Martin Bourdieu $0
3 Hang Glide (NM) 5 Mare 120 Mark Anthony Villa $0
4 Silver Expression (NM) 4 Filly 120 Miguel A. Perez $0
5 Peppers Pride (NM) 5 Mare 120 Carlos D. Madeira $0
6 Miss Possibility (NM) 5 Mare 124 Alejandro Medellin $35,000