It was a true test of self control.

Think is a good answer. What a joke

well if they've already locked onto the 9 horse there go the odds on the winner:(

If that was the case, and they didn't "cut the figure loose", the Blue Grass number would have come back in the low-to-mid 80's.

Because mistakes compound themselves in the figure making process, a man made speed figure will be cut loose in an instance like that, and numbers will be assigned that fall in line that fit with the previous numbers of the runners in the race.

Stream Cat, who's career top Beyer was an 88 coming into Saturday, ran 13 Beyer points faster than the Blue Grass on raw time. The Mott filly did so as well.

I am interested to see what a few other figure makers come up with for the blue grass.

Equibase gave it a 110 which is about a 98-100 Beyer equivalent.

They have Curlin running a 122 I guess.

Bris gave Curlin a 102.

they gave Dominican a 98, identical to his Rushaway victory.

:...he thinks he may have actually gotten it right"

This quote of Beyer has been mentioned twice. What is the significance?

DOes Beyer sometimes put out numbers he feels are wrong? Do some numbers come with asterisks if they are not particularly sure? I just dont get the significance of his endorsement, his figs are supposed to be correct according to his system. Yes?

If the Tampa bay race is a bit fast on the numbers then that figure is not to out of line.

problem is what do you use to gauge SS ability

he has a perfect trip figure in the BC, another perfect trip in teh Tampa off a layoff, and then this crap on the weekend. I mean to mee he is probably good for a 100 beyer or so, where does that put him, right in the middle with everyone else and at 5/1 or so no thanks.

Sinister Minister's figure was accurate....he took advantage of an insane inside-speed bias and won by a pole. One of the horses beaten double digits returned to run 2nd in the KY Derby at giant odds, and later win the Haskell. Another horse beaten double digits in that race took the Super Derby and Dwyer.

Street Sense was by no means impressive in the Blue Grass. He barely beat Tufelsburg, who couldn't stay straight through the lane, and was passed from behind by winner Domincan. If Great Hunter doesn't get sawed off, you have five horses finishing within a half length of each other.

I realize very little can be learned from the Blue Grass---however, if Street Sense really was a dominant horse, and really ran such a big race at age 2 over the track like some suggest, shouldn't he have taken that race?

When the fav for a race works 6 seconds slower than his previous work in his final work I take all further results with a grain of salt

agree with Cannon. SS has 2 very big positives in his corner. first, Carl Nafzger knows exactly where he is with this horse and will have him happy and ready in 3 weeks. Secondly, on May 5th he gets to walk right out of his stall and race on a track he definately loves.

Because he was "under-trained" coming into the race---or because you think it's possible the horse isn't right?

I never get too caught up in workout times....certainly not to say they don't matter in certain situations though.

It is NOT a quote from Beyer.....it is a quote from ME.

Andy, where were U today on ATRAB?

The same place I am about to be on this forum.....not on.


See the good posters here ( yourself included ) after the insanity of the Triple Crown has blown over.

Times usually arent that signifigant unless they are extremes. I was watching SS work the other day and he broke off in a canter but was rolling in the stretch. Carl seemed very satisfied which leads me to believe that he was not really tuned up for Sat's race. A work that slow for a horse of that calibur is hardly an effort. I'd guess his pre derby work will be a little sharper. We'll see.

You might want to be careful with your pronoun agreement in the future, another guy was confused as well. But thanks for clearing that up, makes sense now..:)

This sounds rather obvious, but Im sure you didn't mean it that way.

Andy is now moved to Wednesdays until Belmont opens...

I'm sure it will be atleast a little sharper. However, wouldn't the same line of reasoning also apply in the case of Curlin?

Street Sense's four furlong work in 1:04 flat was the 38th fastest of 39 to work the distance that morning---that proceeded a five furlong 58.40 bullet work.

Curlin came into the Arkansas Derby off of a four furlong work in 50 4/5th seconds. The 45th fastest of 46 to work the distance that morning. He worked a bullet six furlongs in 1:12 flat in his prior work.

FWIW, Street Sense also had a moderate four furlong in 51 flat maintenance breeze three days before his return in the Tampa Derby.

I REALLY appreciate the grammar lessen. I mean, who knew that on a horse racing message board I could learn so many diverse things, and from someone as giving as yourself. Lord knows your contributions here are vast and widely felt. Whereas some people come to a room like this and only usurp the knowledge spread by others, you just keep giving and giving, teaching and teaching, and I for one am grateful for this opportunity to learn from you. I only hope that one day I will be able to return your gift of knowledge with some small crumb from my rucksack of life.

I subsequently brought this up and was not confused at all. Andy (Blackthroatedwind) Serling said that Beyer (Andy Beyer) felt that he got the number right. So, don't worry, I was not confused, your pronoun agreement was satisfactory.

NT

While I think your pronouns were OK, lesson is not spelled "lessen".

Main Entry: 1les·son
Pronunciation: 'le-s&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French leçon, from Late Latin lection-, lectio, from Latin, act of reading, from legere to read -- more at LEGEND
1 : a passage from sacred writings read in a service of worship
2 a : a piece of instruction b : a reading or exercise to be studied by a pupil c : a division of a course of instruction
3 a : something learned by study or experience <his years of travel had taught him valuable lessons> b : an instructive example <the lessons of history> c : REPRIMAND

And I thank you.

Outstanding!

You're welcome!

just when you think things have reached bottom, we're now being lectured on grammar and spelling. I'm in big trouble if this trend takes off.

I think the spelling was tongue-in-cheek.

I thought this was the educational thread.

VERY educational.

yes it was, shouldn't have lumped the two together.

Since we are in a educational mood. Can someone explain something about the top 3 year old beyer given to Flying First Class 107, in a 33K alw, and how anyone looked at this for his next start. By comparison, Teuflesberg posted a 100 Beyer number for winning the Southwest, and Hard Spun, who finished fourth, beaten three lengths at 50 cents to the dollar, received a 95, which, coincidentally, was the same number he posted when he won the LeComte by six-plus lengths a month back at Fair Grounds. Then the sudden fall off the earth effort by FFC in the Rebel.

FFC is a sprinter. The 107 was earned sprinting. He might be a very good one if they stop trying to ruin him.

I just got my first true inkling of what it must feel like for A Rod when some amateurish pitcher throws him a big fat fastball right over the center of the plate.

I kinda figured that part out, but how does someone take that big effort, and make sence out of it next time.