about the same that any given saturday has done, fought hard won a big race and lost a couple also

im not dismissing him off this race, i never thought he could win the derby, even before this race i thought he was solid but not good enough and i still feel the same way he's a good second tier horse, and i'd be shocked if he won the bluegrass or kentucky derby

I feel that Street Sense and Any Given Saturday will run 1-2 in THE Derby.....They are the 2 best of their generation....Also, I am a huge SS fan and have been since day one...I feel he is a better horse than AGS, but I also feel AGS would be better off if JV chose CQ or another of TP's ponies. I think AGS needs a rider who can throw him down until they are ready to push the button. No knock on JV, I just feel that GoGo, Cornelio or Prado even are better fits for him than JV.

Wow, that is a prediction right there. I'd say neither will be in the superfecta.

wow those are both bold predictions, i would be shocked if any given saturday runs in the top 5 on derby day, and i would not be shocked if street sense were to win

jv is the best rider on the east coast, possibly in america, i think cornelio gomez and prado are all close but jv is the best, you can say its because of todd but when i watch i always see jv putting his horse in position to win

I'm going to say Scat Daddy will run dead last because this prediction thing is awesom.

You know you can bet who runs last in the race.

i might get down on that bet

As am I....and I am eagerly awaiting your Derby selection before making that bet.

don't give them your picks for free PG85...they should cough up some $$ for them:D

This is phenomenal, I'm reading the name Perfect Drift and the term--sucker horse--in the same post. Unbelievable.

CJ you would do well with 1/100th of his lifetime earnings in your bank account!!!!!!!!!!!! Please.

Yeah because she's not talking about Perfect Drift from a wagering standpoint.

I am here to flat out predict that Cowtown Cat will without a doubt finish 16th in the Derby. No question about it. 16th. I honestly see no way he could finish any better or any worse than that. He is clearly the 16th best horse at 10f of this crop.

i agree with that

I think you should team up with kyroses and start doing seminars. I'd pay to see one.

listen i think im a decent handicapper, my picks in the selection section back that up...................I THINK

That's what i'm sayin...add Kyroses to help point out sore horses and you two will be the dynamic duo of touts.

I don't think he was being sarcastic. I think he really would pay to see one.
I know I would.

yea yea

Looked like AGS would have won with added distance, Are you saying you knew the race had to be longer to see him win? By the way, who at this stage is better than AGS, besides SS by a poohair!! Six weeks to go amigo, horseys still have room to improve!!:cool:

PG'85: "Well as you can see here Horse A is the greatest horse to ever live. In fact he is probably the greatest 4-legged creature in the history of this planet. Or probably any planet."
KRIM: "Well that is all certainly true, but he is probably sore. He may win 4000 G1s, but from what I've seen on TV, he is sore for sure."
PG'85: "That's it! I am never speaking at one of these seminars again ever!"
KRIM: "I knew he would have a short career."
PG'85: "I'm back."
KRIM: "I knew you would be."

Fast pace, SS saves every inch of ground and an absolute perfect trip and he wins by about an inch. AGS was closer to the fast pace and lost more ground. AGS probably ran the superior race. So how do you see one possibly winning and the other not cracking the top 5?

What you say is true, but you could also look at the race this way, AGS had a race under him, and it was on that track. SS was coming off a long layoff and may have more room to improve off that effort than AGS. I am not saying I see it that way, but that would be a reasonable way to look at it.

Maybe time will prove me wrong but I'm thinking the TB Dby will prove to be a "negative" key race.

Alydar kept suckering people into playing him in the Triple Crown Races.After all,wasn't he right there pretty damn close to Affirmed? Just bad luck (I guess) that he couldn't get to him.Couldn't be that Alydar wasn't good enough.

SS has some very big efforts to back up this layoff. I think the quote above is the way most people look at it.

I still am wondering if people agree with Jerry Bailey saying he thinks this race may have been too much for Street Sense? Kind of like he would have wished the horse would have not put so much effort in down the stretch and run a comfy second.

I'm a huge fan of Perfect Drift, Grits. The horse is a herd animal, though and has shown time and time again (much to my dismay) that he's a follower and not a leader. That is what I meant.

That's cool Cg I understand. This is a grand racehorse, one that means a great deal to so many people. It's a gift to us all to see one campaign as long as Drift has.

I agree, 100%. I love the horse and I even lost some money on him in the BCC. Lori will testify. :o

yea i think that was actually the last time i won money on a race.

oh wait, I had a 20 dollar head to head in that same race with another friend. i had the great Bernardini and she had invasor.

so i actually lost money on that race.

The only thing that will suprise me at this pt. is if I manage to have the winner on derby day. This year seems impossible...

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Hey what about this angle: Wasnt there a wind bias at TB on Sat? Wisdom is that it should help closers as it was head wind on the back stretch and tail wind on the home stretch. It did appear that way on the filly race two races back.

Not so sure if it played the same way in the TB Dby, but if it did, then it would seem AGS was working against the bias and SS was aided by it.

I should actually look at a chart of all the horses before drawing any such conclusion. You can often get better information by looking at how the also rans ran, despite being out of it, they can still tell you something.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the wind bias in all this?

People keep saying that AGS had such a wide trip, blah blah blah. Street Sense was coming off a 4 month layoff. I think a 4 month layoff agianst a 3wide trip comes up on SS's side everytime. That is the closes AGS will ever get to Street Sense.

I find it hard to believe that a month and a half before the Derby that AGS cannot improve by a nose or more. Thought it was a game effort and that this is a horse to watch in his final prep. Also, I find it hard to believe that replacing JV is the answer. Regarding Bailey's comment on SS, I remember last year when Barbaro gave a game effort it was touted that he was now battle tested.

I bet that in the grand jockey scheme Johnny V is aboard Circular Quay on Derby Day. King of the Roxy is Migliore's mount to lose now, Ravel will have Gomez, Scat Daddy should be Prado after the Fla Derby, and I'm thinking Bejarano back on Any Given Saturday. Deadly Dealer, Sam P and all others still pending will pick up mounts.

NT

If Prado is up on Scat Daddy, I'll be a happy camper.

From what I've read Prado's aboard Scat Daddy in the Fla Derby because Johnny V's in Dubai on 3/31. I'm sure Prado will not lose that mount, unless of course Scat Daddy is who JV chooses to ride in the Derby.

NT

Thanks for the info.