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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 798593)

Philly under. I'd be interested in under 8.5 line even.

I'll give you that bet.

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 798600)

I think anything less than at least an appearance in the conference championship is going to disappoint Iggles fans this year. I still think their front seven is a bit thin on paper.

Linebackers are young and inexperienced, so its a gamble. The D-line has had extreme upgrades and will be solid.. especially with Washburn running the D-line.

Houston should be good on the over.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 798651)

the hype is all media driven. Its not like they are the Heat declaring themselves champions for the next 5 years. Unless you are focusing on a tweet from the twit Vince Young, someone who at this point is our 3rd string QB.

the hype was built by ESPN. you certainly can't fault the Eagles for picking up some extremely good free agents/trades.

Agree 100%. Eagles are trying to down play the hype. They definitely improved on paper, but that means nothing. You never want to be the team everybody is talking about in Preseason they never seem to meet expectations.

I really dislike the eagles but based on their schedule there are only 6 teams that they could lose to: Atlanta, Giants (2) Dallas (2), NE, Jets and Chicago. 5 Losses look about right.

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 798535)

Arizona Cardinals – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 6.5 (-140)
Under 6.5 (+110)

Atlanta Falcons – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 10.5 (+115)
Under 10.5 (-145)

Baltimore Ravens – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 10.5 (-115)
Under 10.5 (-115)

Buffalo Bills – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 5.5 (-115)
Under 5.5 (-115)

Carolina Panthers – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 4.5 (-130)
Under 4.5 (+100)

Chicago Bears – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 8.5 (-120)
Under 8.5 (-110)

Cincinnati Bengals – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 5.5 (-130)
Under 5.5 (+100)

Cleveland Browns – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 6.5 (-115)
Under 6.5 (-115)

Dallas Cowboys – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 9 (-105)
Under 9 (-125) dont know what to choose here. I think they might win 9
Denver Broncos – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 5.5 (-135)
Under 5.5 (+105)

Detroit Lions – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 7.5 (-125)
Under 7.5 (-105)

Green Bay Packers – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 11.5 (-105)
Under 11.5 (-125)

Houston Texans – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 8.5 (-115)
Under 8.5 (-115)

Indianapolis Colts – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 9.5 (-135)
Under 9.5 (+105) i say Indy stinks this year

Jacksonville Jaguars – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 6 (-130)
Under 6 (+100)

Kansas City Chiefs – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 7.5 (-125)
Under 7.5 (-105)

Miami Dolphins – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 7.5 (+100)
Under 7.5 (-130)

Minnesota Vikings – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 7 (-135)
Under 7 (+105)

New England Patriots- Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 11.5 (-125)
Under 11.5 (-105)

New Orleans Saints – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 10 (-105)
Under 10 (-125) 10 seems about right

New York Giants – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 9.5 (+115)
Under 9.5 (-145)

New York Jets – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 10 (-105)
Under 10 (-125)

Oakland Raiders – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 6.5 (-140)
Under 6.5 (+110)

Philadelphia Eagles – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 10.5 (-140)
Under 10.5 (+110) total homer bet

Pittsburgh Steelers – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 10.5 (-125)
Under 10.5 (-105)

San Diego Chargers – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 10 (EVEN)
Under 10 (-130)

San Francisco 49ers – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 7.5 (-130)
Under 7.5 (+100)

Seattle Seahawks – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 6.5 (+125)
Under 6.5 (-145)

St. Louis Rams – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 7.5 (+105)
Under 7.5 (-135)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 8 (-130)
Under 8 (+100)

Tennessee Titans – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 6.5 (-140)
Under 6.5 (+110)

Washington Redskins – Total wins in the 2011 NFL Regular Season
Over 6.5 (+160)
Under 6.5 (-200)

IMO

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 798660)

I think its all up to Mike Vick... if he improves off his quality year last year, they will be tough. If he gets injured or reverts back to Atlanta Vick, it will be a tough year. (of course this is true for all the teams)

They have gone all in, so you could say Superbowl or bust... which would make your opinion of a dissapointing season a probability.

If you mean dissappointing as in not making the playoffs, I would strongly disagree.

I agree Kolb is a massive improvement over the goofy Derek Anderson/Max Hall/John Skelton trio from last year, but three wins is a lot to stick on one guy. Are the Cardinals right now better than either the Rams or the Seahawks? I'd say the answer is no.

Edited to add that I completely forgot the 49ers, who are also probably a better team than the Cardinals right now. Though the Cardinals do get to play the Vikings, Panthers, Bengals, and Browns this year (all of whom should be wholly atrocious), so perhaps eight wins isn't impossible.

I'll take over Cards, Lions, Rams.

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 798691)

Not sure the Vikings will be that terrible.

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 798699)

Not sure the Vikings will be that terrible.

I think they're a stone cold lock for last in that division, though the Bears are going to regress dramatically as well. Vikings just aren't as talented on the defensive side as they were a couple years ago.

Far too much hype on the Browns;too much pressure to win 6.5 games....3.25 is more realistic.

The Cardinals' defense is still awful and they have no running game. It's gonna take more than Kolb and Fitzgerald to get them near the playoffs. Yeah, the division's terrible but the Cards are even worse.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 798717)

If it's possible, the Cards defense is going to be even worse than last year. Honestly? They have to be the worst team in the worst division in football on paper. I can't see a .500 season in their future. Don't forget they've also lost their two best WR's not named "Fitzgerald" during the last two offseasons.

the division is really a crap shoot.

If I was betting, I'd take the over. With the division they are in, and the schedule they have, I believe they have a better chance of going 7-9 than 6-10

But the biggest bet I'd make is the under on the Giants.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 798731)

But the biggest bet I'd make is the under on the Giants.

Lots of interesting o/u's in that division. I could make compelling arguments to bet the under on every NFC East team.

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 798719)

The defense picked up the best corner in the draft along with the a few lower level free agents. The remade the o-line and added Kolb and Heap. All that being said, they have six winnable division games plus play the Panthers, Browns, Bengals, Vikings, and Redskins. I will be betting the over.

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 798736)

The defense picked up the best corner in the draft along with the a few lower level free agents. The remade the o-line and added Kolb and Heap. All that being said, they have six winnable division games plus play the Panthers, Browns, Bengals, Vikings, and Redskins. I will be betting the over.

They also traded away their best corner. The point about the schedule is well-taken though.

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 798734)

Lots of interesting o/u's in that division. I could make compelling arguments to bet the under on every NFC East team.

I think the Giants got much worse over the offseason. I think there record will be closer to 7-9 than 10-6.

I wont touch the Eagles.. they have the talent to go 14-2 and the coach that could make them 9-7.

Cowboys, I have no clue. I think Romo is overrated.

Skins are going to suck.. probably similar to last year.

I would bet the Eagles to win the division, but the only O/U I'd take is the Under for the Giants.