i agree he was rushed. if he has anything left we will see it in his 1st start back.

how far do you think he wants to go though?

I have no idea, I deleted him from my mind after Lukas put him through the grinder.

if you look at his pps its not the usual rush though. his races were well spaced, but he never should have run at churchill.

his dam was pure sprinter and she has thrown nothing but sprinters.

he tripped out in the maiden race. and he ran well in the hopeful, but that race has kind of turned out to be a dud. he has a chance to be an okay sprinter if he hasnt been ruined.

Stay Put is a horse that could offer some value.

Should turn up in the Risen Star next weekend, and I assume will be totally ignored in the future wager pool. If he's 75-1 or more, you could do worse.

Without a horse that has even shown a glimmer of greatness yet, I imagine the field will be pounded this weekend.

Didn't he have some surgery after the Churchhill race to fix a breathing problem? He is a big horse and has been training pretty good. He may be just a sprinter but I am curious to see how he comes back on Monday especially if he has some of his Daddy's will in him.

Betting has begun. Live odds are at:

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/future-wager/odds

They are showing the same "Pool Total" for the win odds and the exacta odds. Pretty lame.

--Dunbar

This bet is a joke. There needs to be more entrants.

Who in there right mind bet LAL down to 9/2

Squares...The same people who bet the over in the SuperBowl

You'll get better odds waiting until derby day

yeah, but at least you get your money back if your horse doesnt run in the super bowl

They corrected it, sort of. They are now showing separate pool totals, but some of the exacta payoffs are way bigger than the amount in the exacta pool. (As I write, there is $6600 in the exacta pool; the biggest payoffs are $11,300.) The payoffs must be based on a $2 bet but it's possible to bet $1?

--Dunbar

i did the sucker bet just for fun. 40 bucks on jackson bend.

ok, I give up .... How can the pool total be 217, 431 and 62 cents?

It probably has to do with currency conversion when they take bets in Canada and maybe elsewhere.

--Dunbar

If his odds stay above 25-1 tomorrow, I'll probably take some, too.

--Dunbar

The 62 cents probably comes from some angle that DrugS is working at the expense of his local racino.

Going into today...


1 Aikenite Todd Pletcher 30 58
2 American Lion Eoin Harty 20 40
3 Buddy's Saint Bruce Levine 12 10
4 Concord Point Bob Baffert 30 99
5 Conveyance Bob Baffert 12 37
6 Dave in Dixie John Sadler 20 38
7 Drosselmeyer William Mott 20 25
8 Dryfly Lynn Whiting 20 56
9 Dublin D. Lukas 15 21
10 Eskendereya Todd Pletcher 20 25
11 Jackson Bend Nicholas Zito 12 33
12 Lookin At Lucky Bob Baffert 8 6
13 Make Music for Me Alexis Barba 50 99
14 Maximus Ruler Clark Hanna 50 90
15 Noble's Promise Kenneth McPeek 15 39
16 Ron the Greek Thomas Amoss 30 35
17 Rule Todd Pletcher 12 31
18 Stay Put Steve Margolis 50 59
19 Super Saver Todd Pletcher 15 26
20 Tiz Chrome Bob Baffert 20 29
21 Uptowncharlybrown Alan Seewald 50 29
22 Vale of York (IRE) Saeed bin Suroor 30 30
23 William's Kitten Michael Maker 30 54
24 All Other Three Ye 5/2 6/5

Rule is at higher odds than Charly?

Noble's Promise has been weighed down by my $2