Actually - I retract my previous statements - they've made it known that he's not nominated. . .

Arlington sends out vouchers for this, I have $35 in free future wagers. Gonna put it on Silver City and Papa Clem.

Normally I print off the past performances of the top 30 or so horses at Brisnet. Right now I get an error that says I can't print them off. Does anyone have a link? Thanks.

I found the top 23 at the DRF.com site. Guess my Road to the Roses stable will come from those.

DRF is offering PP's on all 401 Derby nominees to anyone who buys any DRF card during Feb 12-Feb 15.

Free past performances for Pool 1 of the Kentucky Derby Future Wager are now available in the Kentucky Derby Section of DRF.com.
PPs for all 401 Triple Crown Nominees are also available with the purchase of any Thursday-Sunday racecard.

--Dunbar

what time does the wagering start?

CURRENT ODDS -- 2:30pm SATURDAY

1 Beethoven John Ward, Jr. 34
2 Big Drama David Fawkes 56
3 Capt. Candyman Can Ian Wilkes 32
4 Chocolate Candy Jerry Hollendorfer 31
5 Flying Pegasus Ralph Nicks 26
6 Friesan Fire J. Jones 17
7 Giant Oak Chris Block 27
8 Haynesfield Steven Asmussen 27
9 Hello Broadway Barclay Tagg 42
10 I Want Revenge Jeff Mullins 59
11 Midshipman Saeed bin Suroor 15
12 Notonthesamepage Wesley Ward 31
13 Old Fashioned J. Jones 6
14 Papa Clem Gary Stute 74
15 Patena Richard Dutrow, Jr. 33
16 Pioneerof the Nile Bob Baffert 13
17 Silver City W. Calhoun 24
18 Stardom Bound Robert Frankel 21
19 Taqarub Kiaran McLaughlin 50
20 The Pamplemousse Julio Canani 28
21 This Ones for Phil Richard Dutrow, Jr. 70
22 Vineyard Haven Saeed bin Suroor 42
23 West Side Bernie Kelly Breen 33
24 All Other 3 YR Old 9/5

CURRENT ODDS -- 2:30pm SATURDAY


1 Beethoven John Ward, Jr. 15 37
2 Big Drama David Fawkes 30 54
3 Capt. Candyman Can Ian Wilkes 10 29
4 Chocolate Candy Jerry Hollendorfer 50 29
5 Flying Pegasus Ralph Nicks 30 27
6 Friesan Fire J. Jones 12 18
7 Giant Oak Chris Block 15 27
8 Haynesfield Steven Asmussen 50 29
9 Hello Broadway Barclay Tagg 50 41
10 I Want Revenge Jeff Mullins 50 55
11 Midshipman Saeed bin Suroor 12 18
12 Notonthesamepage Wesley Ward 30 37
13 Old Fashioned J. Jones 10 6
14 Papa Clem Gary Stute 20 45
15 Patena Richard Dutrow, Jr. 20 30
16 Pioneerof the Nile Bob Baffert 20 14
17 Silver City W. Calhoun 50 30
18 Stardom Bound Robert Frankel 12 22
19 Taqarub Kiaran McLaughlin 30 53
20 The Pamplemousse Julio Canani 30 31
21 This Ones for Phil Richard Dutrow, Jr. 12 61
22 Vineyard Haven Saeed bin Suroor 12 40
23 West Side Bernie Kelly Breen 50 43
24 All Other 3 YR Old 5/2 8/5

here's a link to the closing odds.....

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2009/si...1finalodds.pdf

exact payouts are now up on the derby website.

Got a deuce on Beethoven , Capt. Candyman Can & Hello Broadway just for shiats & giggles.

For some of the financial guys out there, what are the financial incentives for Churchill and this 500k and them being able to hold on to it for 75 days? Just curious. The accrued interest can't be much, but it might pay Arlington's electric bill for a month or two

I actually thought there were very few decent value plays in this first pool. Unlike in past years, I felt a ton of the horses had zip chance when it came to truly thinking about Derby horses. And then the value in this pool versus Vegas/Wynn made me a non-starter.

Just because I had a good day on Friday I put a bit on Silver City and Flying Pegasus for the fun of having it.

He ran super well from that post the other day, and people often forget he beat the winner last year too.

that's the exact right comparison to make too. Odds vs Vegas/Wynn

I liked the breeders cup pools CD ran a few years ago. Loved the value for the euros in it on turf. They were bet down in Vegas at Wynn, but nobody was betting on them at all in the CD pools and some you got 15X+ what they were listed at in Wynn. Couldn't believe nobody made the comparison between Wynn/LV Hilton and the CD pools to see if there was any extra value in them.