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GPK 06-17-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
What kind of a list is this?

Where's Gene Sarazen in these discussions?

And none of you have even brought up Babe Didrickson...


Gene was an amazing player. Great players aren't always great ballstrikers though. Great players know how to play the game properly.

GPK 06-17-2008 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
What kind of a list is this?

Where's Gene Sarazen in these discussions?

And none of you have even brought up Babe Didrickson...


and Mildred could play and was a good ball striker, but she was just stronger than the rest of the gals.

GPK 06-17-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
yeah Kev your slackin on your pimpin man. Wheres Davis Love for god sakes?


Davis will never be confused with the best ballstrikers of all time.

gales0678 06-17-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
This debate is very tough. You have two players that played in very different eras against very different competition. Jack competed against higher quality players closer to him, whereas Tiger plays against much deeper fields, but there are very few high quality players close to him.

Very different golf ball, equipment, course set ups, etc...

Jack certianly owns the records for right now, but it seems a matter of time before Tiger breaks those records.

Save Ben Hogan, I doubt there is anyone in the history of the game that is able to the things with the golf ball that Tiger does.

kev don't forgot snead or nelson

nelson reitred well early in his career and think about how many more majors snead would have won if ben hogan had not recoverd from the car accident

as for a golf swing , none was ever more fluid and picturesque than the slammer , but the others all could get the ball in the hole better than the man from hot springs

GPK 06-17-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
kev don't forgot snead or nelson

nelson reitred well early in his career and think about how many more majors snead would have won if ben hogan had not recoverd from the car accident

as for a golf swing , none was ever more fluid and picturesque than the slammer , but the others all could get the ball in the hole better than the man from hot springs


I have Snead as #4 on my list of ballstrikers.

gales0678 06-17-2008 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Best ballstrikers of all time:

Tie 1st - Woods, Hogan
3rd - Moe Norman
4th - Snead
5th - Trevino
6th - Jones
7th - Garcia
8th - Nelson
9th - Watson
10th - Nicklaus

ok kev - i know sergio can strike it , but how in the world can you put him ahead of numbers 8, 9 , and 10 and where is greg norman he is by far on the list due to the fact that he was the longest/straighest driver in the hisotry of the game

gales0678 06-17-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I have Snead as #4 on my list of ballstrikers.


snead in my opinion is #1 for ballstriking only

GPK 06-17-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
ok kev - i know sergio can strike it , but how in the world can you put him ahead of numbers 8, 9 , and 10 and where is greg norman he is by far on the list due to the fact that he was the longest/straighest driver in the hisotry of the game

If Sergio had the brain and putting stroke of Tiger...he would have won so many majors by now, its scary.

as far as Greg Norman? F*ck him...choking rat shoulda have won 8-10 majors.

GPK 06-17-2008 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
snead in my opinion is #1 for ballstriking only


Chandler Harper played with both those guys, he used to tell me NO ONE could come close to Hogans ballstriking.

gales0678 06-17-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
If Sergio had the brain and putting stroke of Tiger...he would have won so many majors by now, its scary.

as far as Greg Norman? F*ck him...choking rat shoulda have won 8-10 majors.


kev i don't disagree on the fact that norman should have won more,but, from a pure ball striking standpoint he has to be on the list

kev - name a longer and straighter driver of the golf ball than Greg Norman

u can't - he will live in infamy because of Larry Mize, Bob Tway - miracle shots that beat him

he totally broke down against faldo in the '96 masters and the '90 british open

but the shot i'll never forget is in the british open playoff against calc - norman drove into a bunker which was in the middle of the fairway and unreachable by anyone all week! - he preceed to make an "x" on the hole !!!!

gales0678 06-17-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Chandler Harper played with both those guys, he used to tell me NO ONE could come close to Hogans ballstriking.


kev - hogan was a better player than snead no question , he out worked snead, no question , he had more heart the snead no question , he was better under the gun no question, but Snead could do things with the golf club that Hogan was not physically capable of doing

GPK 06-17-2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
kev - hogan was a better player than snead no question , he out worked snead, no question , he had more heart the snead no question , he was better under the gun no question, but Snead could do things with the golf club that Hogan was not physically capable of doing


I simply have to disagree Marty. I will take the mans word that played side by side against both of them for years.

GPK 06-17-2008 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
kev i don't disagree on the fact that norman should have won more,but, from a pure ball striking standpoint he has to be on the list

kev - name a longer and straighter driver of the golf ball than Greg Norman

u can't - he will live in infamy because of Larry Mize, Bob Tway - miracle shots that beat him

he totally broke down against faldo in the '96 masters and the '90 british open

but the shot i'll never forget is in the british open playoff against calc - norman drove into a bunker which was in the middle of the fairway and unreachable by anyone all week! - he preceed to make an "x" on the hole !!!!


Norman was a great driver of the golf ball, no question, probably one of the best.

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 10:25 PM

Tom Watson was on steroids...at least his pants were

http://www.hookedongolf.com/articles...ord_watson.jpg

GPK 06-17-2008 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Tom Watson was on steroids...at least his pants were

http://www.hookedongolf.com/articles...ord_watson.jpg


Chuck...PLEASE dont try that look. :eek:

Seattleallstar 06-18-2008 03:35 AM

havent seen the name Tom Weiskopf being thrown around and he was straighter and longer than Jack

golfer 06-18-2008 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
Best ballstrikers of all time:

Tie 1st - Woods, Hogan
3rd - Moe Norman
4th - Snead
5th - Trevino
6th - Jones
7th - Garcia
8th - Nelson
9th - Watson
10th - Nicklaus

Steve Jones at #6 is ABSURD! Maybe before the injury, but come on. And Larry Nelson at #8, nice guy, but give me a break:)

Bigsmc 06-18-2008 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Chuck...PLEASE dont try that look. :eek:

Shhh. Scav was eyeballing those pants. It was going to be his new waitress killer look for the fall of '08. Now, you may be scaring him off.

As far as the list, I will not argue with a dude with gp in front of his name.

Antitrust32 06-18-2008 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
If Sergio had the brain and putting stroke of Tiger...he would have won so many majors by now, its scary.

as far as Greg Norman? F*ck him...choking rat shoulda have won 8-10 majors.


I think it is ironic that you wrote this just after talking about Sergio... talk about a choking rat.

horseofcourse 06-18-2008 12:18 PM

It is near impossible to compare eras in any sport. They are both supremely great. Era's can't be compared. Which is why I will always state Otto Graham is the best qb ever...better than Montana, Brady, Manning and whomever else you want to toss up there. He did something no one will ever match. But as far as which is better...Tiger or Jack??...there isn't really a wrong answer.


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