i agree. for all the bad mouthing thats going back and forth here. i needed that horse on top. i think he moved too early, the horses to his inside were dead. if he waits a little longer, i think, she wins. what was weird is hes usually the last one to move, maybe he thought he had it won. he took a shot , but i was wondering because horses were flying down the lane like the winner did. i thought he used his move prematurely.

Bad trips are not always the rider's fault and She's All Eltish has proven a tough horse to ride and one that has made a premature move in many of her races. Take a look at the Bonnie Miss. Not so dissimilar. In that case the field was possibly worse and the wet track probably hurt her yesterday.

It is a misconception to immediately gravitate towards the jockey when a horse gets a bad trip. It is often jockey error but far from always. In this case I tend to think it was situational and the horse.

It's the jocks fault. It has to be. Or else people would have to look elsewhere for blame, justification or something of the like. LOL.

Eric

Instead of always focusing on the jockey, people need to think more about the trip in general, and stop clouding their minds with jockeys.

Trust me....it can't hurt.

the jockey has nothing to do with the trip?

Who said that?

When you try to put words into people's mouth like I just did, without reading the entire thread, you run the extreme risk of putting your foot in your own mouth.

FTFY.

For what its worth Shes All Eltish was indeed the best filly in the race, but to blame Gomez for her defeat, is disingenuous at best and ignorant at worst.

Approaching the pole the filly spooked. She did not lug in as the chart indicates and she did not duck in as many track observers have stated. If you have ever been on a horse that spooked or even had one on the shank, you will be lucky to retain possession.

Gomez with a sterling piece of horsemanship kept this one from going over the rail. The thread starter and his posse of prattlers may have watched the race; but they didn't see it. BBB

So as to be fair....FTFY too.

Infinite OOOOOOOOOO

There are 2 differences between a jock moving prematurely into the pace of a race and a cyclist (or group of cyclists) making a premature break:

1) While the early move might cost the jock the race, the one paying for it is the horse, in terms of needless OVER-extention, and, thus, jocks continue to do it; while the breaker in a cycling race pays for it, similarly to the horse, when the pack comes to him and buries and abuses him.

2) The premature move works, and works quite often, on the many BUSH speed favoring tracks. Thus, jocks, trainers, handicappers, etc., have come to think that it's proper to move, for example, 3 wide into a pace where the winner is sure to quit.

Why go after the winner on the turn, where you're at a disadvantage in terms of ground covered, when you can just sit and get her in the stretch? Unless, of course, your intent is to collapse the race AND PUNISH YOUR horse.

The horse might've had a a history of rankness YET she was doing quite nicely until Gomez decided to gun her on the turn. Moreover, Castro was her 'regular' jock ---need more be said?

P.S. There are 2 ways to BID wide on the turn:

1) Go all out, like Gomez did and thus make it highly likely that you will DUCK IN immediately upon entering the stretch --this happens all the time in turf races (Gomez and Johnny V specialize in this).

2) Do it the way that Kent D described his run of BB in the Derby: put the horse in position and just have it sit with the pace and ASK AFTER you ENTER. So, I imagine that if Kent knows the difference, some of the other jocks do as well.

only that the loss was not due to the ride. this wasn't a horse nipped at the wire, she was passed with ease.

best ftfy ever.