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Indian Charlie 10-08-2007 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Who do you like?

i think idiot proof is a completely different horse on real dirt, and was just hoping for him to run well enough to get him into the bc. actually, i knew he did okay on cushion but to me, his dirt form is really nice.

right now i'm using idiot proof and gregs gold, but i'd much rather have fabulous strike than gregs gold. i also give smokey stover a look, but i hate that he hasnt run in awhile.

the sprint looks like it's shaping up to be one of the more logical and easy races on the bc card.

the 2yo males look pretty wide open. the mile is impossible. f&m turf, you got me there too. turf, no clue either.

10 pnt move up 10-08-2007 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second. Had he gotten out wouldn't he have had basically a perfect trip? Would the victory have been impressive than? Sorry, he's going to have to beat me in the Sprint and while Idiot Proof did freak that day at Monmouth, I don't want any part of him in the sprint either. The preps in California this weekend all came up bad IMO and I don't want any horse that is coming out of them.

Yes, he is way behind other winners from this weekend, like that horse who won the "win and your in" Phoenix Stakes.

10 pnt move up 10-08-2007 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Your California bias aside, who from this weekend's preps at Santa Anita were you impressed with? Hysterical Lady? Yeah getting run down by Baffert's also ran in NY Stakes was nice. Out Of Control hanging on by a nose over an allowance horse? The Phoenix winner was bad, as was the race. Who's defending that race?

I wasnt impressed, what bias? I was pointing out how weak the division is.

the only california horse I was somewhat impressed with during the divisions was the baffert two year old filly. I still think After Market and Tiago are mildy competitive at prices in their division.

SentToStud 10-08-2007 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
i think idiot proof is a completely different horse on real dirt, and was just hoping for him to run well enough to get him into the bc. actually, i knew he did okay on cushion but to me, his dirt form is really nice.

right now i'm using idiot proof and gregs gold, but i'd much rather have fabulous strike than gregs gold. i also give smokey stover a look, but i hate that he hasnt run in awhile.

the sprint looks like it's shaping up to be one of the more logical and easy races on the bc card.

the 2yo males look pretty wide open. the mile is impossible. f&m turf, you got me there too. turf, no clue either.

I like the Idiot as well as Gregs Gold. I wouldn't touch a Vosburgh winner in the Sprint at gunpoint, nor any NY prepped horse. 15 horses prepped at Belmont (12) or Saratoga (3) have gone off favored in the Sprint. Three have won. Cherokee Run, Orientate (both 5/2) and Artax (7/2 co-fav). 10 BCS favorites prepping at Belmont have lost. Mining, Rubiano, Henny H, all under 2-1 and Groovy, H'buster odds on. Fab Strike is fast, but he'll have to be a toss for me unless he's the sole inside speed.

Danzig 10-08-2007 11:20 AM

it is weak, especially considering the place horse in that race yesterday.

victor took a chance, figured the rail would open, it didn't.

NoLuvForPletch 10-08-2007 12:13 PM

My guess is they aren't going to do it now that there is the BC Sprint for F & M, but I'd love to see La Traviata run against this group. I know she's so lightly raced, but she's a freak (cobra venom aside). I don't know how she's even going to get into the F & M Sprint with only 4 points.

On the topic of the ride Victor gave to GG, the point is HE put him down there in the box when he didn't need to. He could've coasted behind that crew, went wide on the turn (as most 1-2 shots that are much the best often do), and sailed home with ease. He didn't need "the perfect trip" against that group.

Most impressive sprint win I've seen thus far is Midnight Lute in the Forego (but he's got issues) followed closely by the freaky performance of Fabulous Strike in the Vosburgh.

SniperSB23 10-08-2007 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
My guess is they aren't going to do it now that there is the BC Sprint for F & M, but I'd love to see La Traviata run against this group. I know she's so lightly raced, but she's a freak (cobra venom aside). I don't know how she's even going to get into the F & M Sprint with only 4 points.

On the topic of the ride Victor gave to GG, the point is HE put him down there in the box when he didn't need to. He could've coasted behind that crew, went wide on the turn (as most 1-2 shots that are much the best often do), and sailed home with ease. He didn't need "the perfect trip" against that group.

Most impressive sprint win I've seen thus far is Midnight Lute in the Forego (but he's got issues) followed closely by the freaky performance of Fabulous Strike in the Vosburgh.

La Traviata would get crushed in the BC Sprint. She will have no problem getting into the FM Sprint though. The first seven spots go to WAYI horses and then the top remaining points scorers. The other seven spots are selected by the committee who would never leave her out of the race.

NoLuvForPletch 10-08-2007 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
La Traviata would get crushed in the BC Sprint. She will have no problem getting into the FM Sprint though. The first seven spots go to WAYI horses and then the top remaining points scorers. The other seven spots are selected by the committee who would never leave her out of the race.

I think crushed is a bit strong. The Victory Ride was as impressive as anything else that day. JL didn't move a muscle and she went in 45 and 1/5. She ran the last quarter in 24 and 2/5 in a gallop with only mild urging at the top of the lane.

SniperSB23 10-08-2007 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
I think crushed is a bit strong. The Victory Ride was as impressive as anything else that day. JL didn't move a muscle and she went in 45 and 1/5. She ran the last quarter in 24 and 2/5 in a gallop with only mild urging at the top of the lane.

The six furlong split in the King's Bishop went much faster.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-08-2007 09:08 PM

Well, I like him to win the sprint,but it's not an easy race to win from off the pace.I think people are not realizing that he didn't really use everything he had yesterday.So,he should come back o.k. on 3 weeks rest. He could have gotten cut etc. from being between those horses yesterday.So,we will see how he comes out of the race.Why play somebody good,though?? Probably be somebody that "was obvious if ya really look."


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