Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   The Paddock (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Tom Fool + Dwyer (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14655)

miraja2 07-02-2007 09:58 PM

I really like Nobiz Like Showbiz in the Dwyer.
He ran what was arguably his best race ever in the Holy Bull off of a similar long layoff. Although AGS's strong work on Friday seems to indicate that he might be ready on Wednesday, his performances in Tampa this winter/spring seems to indicate that he runs stronger 2nd off.
Sightseeing and First Defence are simply a step below these two in my opinion. In the Wood Memorial, Nobiz zipped the third quarter while Sightseeing loped along off the pace. Despite that favorable scenario, he couldn't get by Nobiz in the stretch. His victory in the G2 Peter Pan on this track will probably mean he will be overbet.
First Defence has won races against MSW and N1X competition when he had his own way on the front end of sprint races. I don't think he is in the same league as AGS or Nobiz.

VOL JACK 07-02-2007 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Sightseeing? Really, I don't see it. He's pretty slow and would need to improve a lot here IMO.

I bet Prom Shoes in the N. Dancer @ CD against Chelokee and he didn't pick his feet up.

VOL JACK 07-02-2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
I really like Nobiz Like Showbiz in the Dwyer.
He ran what was arguably his best race ever in the Holy Bull off of a similar long layoff. Although AGS's strong work on Friday seems to indicate that he might be ready on Wednesday, his performances in Tampa this winter/spring seems to indicate that he runs stronger 2nd off.
Sightseeing and First Defence are simply a step below these two in my opinion. In the Wood Memorial, Nobiz zipped the third quarter while Sightseeing loped along off the pace. Despite that favorable scenario, he couldn't get by Nobiz in the stretch. His victory in the G2 Peter Pan on this track will probably mean he will be overbet.
First Defence has won races against MSW and N1X competition when he had his own way on the front end of sprint races. I don't think he is in the same league as AGS or Nobiz.

As our fearless leader (BTW) likes to say; First Defence eliminates the take out for me.

I don't think U can compare this race and layoff for AGS to the one this march. Pletcher knew it was going to be a long year for this colt and wasn't going to have him primed for his 1st start of the year. I think Todd realizes this is a great spot to pick up the colt 1st graded stake before he runs into Curlin, R2R, and S.S.

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I bet Prom Shoes in the N. Dancer @ CD against Chelokee and he didn't pick his feet up.

I didn't know that. Well that automatically makes Sightseeing a toss.

miraja2 07-02-2007 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
note he's undefeated at Belmont.

True, but I would say that his best races at both 2 and 3 came at Aqu, not Belmont. Who has he actually beaten in those two Belmont races?

VOL JACK 07-02-2007 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I didn't know that. Well that automatically makes Sightseeing a toss.

I am just pointing out that the horse that Sightseeing had to gut out a photo with came back to run a clunker.
I know U don't care who I lose my $$ on.

I really like posters like U that when others are trying to have a legit convo. about a big race U are just looking for the opp. to make a smart ass post.:mad:

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I am just pointing out that the horse that Sightseeing had to gut out a photo with came back to run a clunker.
I know U don't care who I lose my $$ on.

I really like posters like U that when others are trying to have a legit convo. about a big race U are just looking for the opp. to make a smart ass post.:mad:

A legit convo? All you implied was because Prom Shoes had a bad race at CD, that Sightseeing is overrated. That's just ridiculous.

I'm giving legit reasons why he has a shot. Yes, I am a smart ass. Boo hoo.

Here's another reason why I think Sightseeing has a shot...

First Defence looks like he's being trained to steal the race. NoBiz seems like a horse who isn't comfortable if he doesn't have the lead before the far turn. He's not getting it if First Defence doesn't stumble out of the gate. They'll be battling for the lead and that will leave the stalkers Any Given Saturday and Sightseeing with a legitimate chance.

Also Sightseeing improved dramatically May 31st work to his June 10th work and he's adding blinkers for the race. I'm thinking (and would like to know) blinkers were added for that June 10th work.

Thank you.

VOL JACK 07-02-2007 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
A legit convo? All you implied was because Prom Shoes had a bad race at CD, that Sightseeing is overrated. That's just ridiculous.

I'm giving legit reasons why he has a shot. Yes, I am a smart ass. Boo hoo.

Here's another reason why I think Sightseeing has a shot...

First Defence looks like he's being trained to steal the race. NoBiz seems like a horse who isn't comfortable if he doesn't have the lead before the far turn. He's not getting it if First Defence doesn't stumble out of the gate. They'll be battling for the lead and that will leave the stalkers Any Given Saturday and Sightseeing with a legitimate chance.

Also Sightseeing improved dramatically May 31st work to his June 10th work and he's adding blinkers for the race. I'm thinking (and would like to know) blinkers were added for that June 10th work.

Thank you.

Sounds like the Exacta to me.

Cajungator26 07-02-2007 10:32 PM

Supposedly, they're removing the blinkers off of Nobiz.

hockey2315 07-02-2007 10:39 PM

First Defence would win if Frankel wasn't going to scratch him. . . Which really annoys me. . .

ateamstupid 07-02-2007 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
First Defence would win if Frankel wasn't going to scratch him. . . Which really annoys me. . .

He's scratching Saint Anddan too! This guy has become a running gag, LOL!

Danzig 07-03-2007 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's scratching Saint Anddan too! This guy has become a running gag, LOL!

that's two entries now for saint anndan that he'll scratch...and i want to see him run again.

and yes, tagg took blinkers off nobiz a few weeks ago. probably made him too rank still.
i will be pulling for sightseeing. as for commentator, how to know who will show up? he's so undependable.

XIIPointStables 07-03-2007 07:33 AM

What is the deal with Frankel?

Is he a great trainer because he finds the best (softest?) spots for his horses?

Or a weak trainer because he's too cautious.

He seems to be doing this a ton lately. And don't get me wrong, I'm pissed he's not going to give First Defence a shot but it seems like it's a trend with this guy and not just a one-time thing.

Bobby Fischer 07-03-2007 05:49 PM

saint anddan scratched?? FIRST DEFENse *groan*:rolleyes:

Is there a link to see scratches for a day in advance?
Would be very helpful.

thanks

ateamstupid 07-03-2007 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
saint anddan scratched?? FIRST DEFENse *groan*:rolleyes:

Is there a link to see scratches for a day in advance?
Would be very helpful.

thanks

Nah, these were just word from the DRF.

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-03-2007 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Nah, these were just word from the DRF.

THE TWIST....LOL,,,my clocker says rondo is sore....lmfao:D

Holland Hacker 07-04-2007 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Also Sightseeing improved dramatically May 31st work to his June 10th work and he's adding blinkers for the race. I'm thinking (and would like to know) blinkers were added for that June 10th work.

According to Todays TDN Sightseeing "has had a couple of good works with blinkers . . ."

gamblin4ever 07-04-2007 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's scratching Saint Anddan too! This guy has become a running gag, LOL!

With all the early speed in the Tom Fool, I'm thinking Saint Anddan could sit right off the pace and make a late run when Bejarano asks for it.
But, if Commentator is ready to run, the race will be for 2nd.
I plan on using St. Anddan under Commentator if Frankel doesnt scratch out.

gamblin4ever 07-04-2007 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
What is the deal with Frankel?

Is he a great trainer because he finds the best (softest?) spots for his horses?

Or a weak trainer because he's too cautious.

He seems to be doing this a ton lately. And don't get me wrong, I'm pissed he's not going to give First Defence a shot but it seems like it's a trend with this guy and not just a one-time thing.

Most of Frankel's horses it seems gets scratched every other race.
There should be rules against being able to do this..


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:43 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.