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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree, I love racing history and as a hobby, maintain a list of the horses I feel are the 100 "best ever"...it's highly subjective, one person's opinion as I rank horses as far back as Flying Childers and Eclipse and that leaves me open to the question of how on earth I can compare horses which ran a series of two mile heats with today's animals...my answer is a combination of research and a fair degree of "gut instinct"...as I said, highly subjective (but lots of fun). My point being, I NEVER consider a horse until they retire...simply isn't fair. Rags seems to have almost unlimited potential and the Belmont win secures her a place in history (I mean really...first filly to ever win a 12f Belmont) but Roman only assigned a PF of -47 to her, the slowest number he's ever given the Belmont winner (next would be Sarava at -55) and so questions about quality of competition will be raised. Still, she stumbled at the gate, raced wide and was facing colts for the first time so...who knows. If she retired today, I'd have a tough time ranking her above the likes of Inside Information and Winning Colors, certainly not with the likes of Personal Ensign or Lady's Secret.

Somerfrost,
Your enthusiasm is quite evident.
Rags could be just what we need after the past couple of years. She has accomplished something very grand, but she's not there yet.
Now, since you're into the history of it, I'll just mention a couple that you might remember.
1) #2 in the 5th on June 5, 2004 (The White Carnation). Her name- Board Elligible.
Sire: Goldminer's Gold, dam Double Boarded by Cormorant.
Trained by James W. Ferraro
Jockey- Javier Castellano
I mention her because seeing her win caused me to decide to buy her half brother, Makeitright.
2) Bourbon Slush (1980). For sure Pedigree Anne will look her up. You'll see names like Crozier, Swaps, Hasty Road, and My Babu. She's the dam of one of my mares, Bourbon Streettune, the mom of Shot o' Bourbon (2yo) and Ciel
Bonne (yearling).

Somer, as I said before, the good that comes from a nice filly winning a big one invigorates our sport, drives our passions, and realizes our dreams.
Race on!!!!! Stumbles and all.:)

DTS

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I personally think that most of those would have blown her out of the water, but that's just my opinion.

With that said, she's an extremely nice filly. Slow time or not, I was impressed with her in the Belmont. She's a very gritty filly... fought all the way down the stretch. I like that in a racehorse. :cool:

exactly!

i'm biased but i think ashado should be mentioned in this thread as well.

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Originally Posted by TenMostWanted

exactly!

i'm biased but i think ashado should be mentioned in this thread as well.

Ashado! Yes! Remember her race with Storm Flag Flying at Toga?

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Ashado! Yes! Remember her race with Storm Flag Flying at Toga?

if they had a nervous & sick smiley, that would've been me.. that's always me when one of my favorites races! :p

she was such a great mare - my personal favorite was her distaff, i almost had a heart attack waiting for her to get a hole off the rail! that's the one i remember best.

still need to get down & stalk her at darley.. shame on me!

& randomly - board elligible, one of the ones i kept tabs on. whatever happened to her?

lads, its still debatable whether shes the best filly racing at the moment... She's probably the best, yeah, but there are fillies around the world that have done brilliantly this year..

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Ashado! Yes! Remember her race with Storm Flag Flying at Toga?

Perhaps I'm wrong but I think that one took place in Fantasyland.

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Originally Posted by brockguy

lads, its still debatable whether shes the best filly racing at the moment... She's probably the best, yeah, but there are fillies around the world that have done brilliantly this year..

i do not think she's the best filly in racing, worldwide.

finsceal beo [sp?] is probably the best at this point, rags is definitely up there though - she has to be.

No, no.... it was at Dreaming Downs on Fantasy Island, with Mr. Rourke as your host and Tattoo calling the race.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Perhaps I'm wrong but I think that one took place in Fantasyland.

BTW,
You are correct. I always mix up Ashado and Azeri.
I was thinking of Race 9, The Personal Ensign, Aug 27, 2004.
Ashado wasn't in it. Azari was.
My mistake.
Azeri, if I recall, was ridden by Pat Day and trained by D. Wayne Lucas.
And, I'm pretty sure she won over Storm Flag Flying.

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Ashado! Yes! Remember her race with Storm Flag Flying at Toga?

Huh? They never raced each other at Saratoga.

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Originally Posted by philcski

Huh? They never raced each other at Saratoga.

Sorry!
I already admitted my mistake.

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Sorry!
I already admitted my mistake.

Ha! No prob. Saw that, my bad for the piling on.

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Originally Posted by philcski

Ha! No prob. Saw that, my bad for the piling on.

how dare you! :p

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Storm Flag Flying beat Azeri after being softened up on the lead. A few weeks earlier Azeri beat SFF and Sightseek. in the Go For Wand.

DaHoss,
I really detest talking with you.
Maybe you remember better than me.
Race 9, the 57th running of the Personal Ensign Aug 27, 2004
1 1/4 mile 400K purse
1- Storm Flag Flying - John R Velazquez - Claude R. McGaughey
2- Azeri- Pat Day - D Wayne Lucas
3- Nevermore (4lbs over) - Edgar S Prado - H. James Bond
4- Roar Emotion - Jerry D Bailey - Kiaran P McLaughlin
5- Board Elligible - Pablo Fragaso - James W. Ferraro

Who won?

Doesn't seem like Azeri was the last decent horse Lucas trained?? She really wasn't even his horse anyway...

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Originally Posted by TenMostWanted

how dare you! :p

haha because I'm so mean. :p