Well he could have complained and given me the difference in his 10% cut. :rolleyes: I thought T should have come down too.

I don't think Borel was told to win this no matter what either...

Obviously the rider will say that....his horse clearly wasn't winning, and getting moved up from 5th to 4th means nothing to him.....and probably nothing to any bettors either---except those played the superfecta.

That is a no doubt about it DQ....you can't come out several paths and foul a horse like that....and not come down.

Somer....I don't really think Nafzger is worried about losing this race or looking for an excuse. It's well documented he doesn't want to win all the races....just the right races. Highly doubt SS was cranked for today when the "right race" is just a few weeks away.

Oh, I agree...I was just responding to an earlier post that indicated SS had a rough trip...I didn't see that!

Obviously you are wrong cause he wasn't taken down!:rolleyes:

Teuflesberg should have been taken down... clearly. Great Hunter probably wasn't winning either way, but being bumped like that didn't help.

I guess you had a "little guy" Kentucky trainer 4th and a "big name" California trainer 5th....but the stewards can't forget there was a superfecta in that race.

I guess Fifth-Third bank and a very tiny fraction of superfecta players were affected any by it...and no one else.

What's ironic is, how stewards NOTORIOUSLY focus and overrate on fouls commited in the stretch run--as opposed to fouls commited in the early stages of races (when the impact is more severe)

However, in a race where they go 26 and 51 early on---and get the last 3/8ths in 34 and change---getting fouled in the stretch run is more severe than getting fouled in the early stages.

All kidding aside, I agree it sure looked like a foul to me too! By the way, they announced on TV that the owner of Great Hunter had reached an out-of-court settlement with the bank so possibly it no longer mattered to them. Great Hunter is safely in the Derby field so the only ones effected were the exotic betters...still, sure looked like a foul!

The real reason is he was drained by the all out effort in the TB Dby.

Thought about that the other day. Do they run Breeder's Cup in Calif. ever? Is it just a matter of time before they run one on poly?

Yeah it sounds bad...

Frankly, I think if they run this race again on any surface Dominican beats these again. Probably with ease.

Great Hunter is a poorly conditioned horse. Sure, he was banged around slightly. He had nothing left either way.

And Street Sense was trying to win. Could be over-rated or just plain shot from a tough effort coming off a long layoff. Horse had to have issues in the first place to be laying off since November.

Dominican would have beaten these by 10 if he had another furlong.

I wouldn't be surprised to see either SS or GH (or both) bow out of the Derby.

Perhaps the most utterly ridiculous comment in the history of the internet.

Lucky for you he will get to prove your point in 3 weeks. There will be another furlong. I will be shocked if SS or GH bow out.

So, do you think this is the year that the Bluegrass produces a Ky Derby winner?

Perhaps you missed his Jazil was the decades best Belmont winner comment a few months earlier?

I have to assume the Beyer figure for Domincan will come back in the high 80's or low 90's.

My Typhoon, who came from mid-pack into the teeth of 50 and change fractions, ran a final time that represents a figure 13 points faster.

Perhaps the Bluegrass figure will be inflated a little by the figure maker because of the comically slow pace....though it was far from the only very slow pace at KEE yesterday.

Curlin's number should come back in the 104-to-107 range...which will make him the horse with the top figure around two-turns come Derby day.

Darrin Miller on ATRAB Friday
 

Here's the link to listen to trainer Darrin Miller, who I've talked to several times since Lane's End Day. Dominican should not be dismissed as a Poly horse. He's had a variety of issues in his PP's including the entrapped testicle/ridgling scenario restricting his stride and Robby Albarado restricting his success.. This is a very nice horse.

Miller starts the segment..
http://www.attheracesandbeyond.com/stream/41307b.mp3

Listening to you Sat AM reinforced my feelings on the Bluegrass and made me mor confidant in using him for a single in my pk 4. Thanks.

i missed that, but will laugh now, since i couldn't then....

In fairness there once were people touting Tapit for the derby.:)