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slotdirt

11-08-2010 02:13 PM

THere's a Zenyatta HOTY 2010 page on facebook and there are almost 2,000 fans of it already. I'm telling you guys, she's going to win it. Sad, but true.

Duvalier

11-08-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 720226)

THere's a Zenyatta HOTY 2010 page on facebook and there are almost 2,000 fans of it already. I'm telling you guys, she's going to win it. Sad, but true.

Facebook is ghey

Dahoss

11-08-2010 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 720225)

Deflecting attention away from Zenyatta's 2010 schedule is a smart play. Again why aren't her fans asking why she was kept in such soft company all year?

Good luck getting an answer to this.

Duvalier

11-08-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 720225)

JC Guerrero is so good they need to create a total eclipse award for him.

His barn must be under one before he sends them up to the paddock.

10 pnt move up

11-08-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 720072)

When your favorite horse runs in 2-3 meaningful races her entire career, you really have to make stretches to compare her to the greats.

ah running in 14 grade 1 races and only 2-3 you consider meaningful.

Why do you follow the sport then, what does that say about the time you are wasting if you think like that?

10 pnt move up

11-08-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 720206)

The sport is a great game that stands on its own merits.

If you think about this, the direction the sport is trending this past decade, it is kinda scary is it not?

Duvalier

11-08-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720236)

Good luck getting an answer to this.

Pretty much because her connections wanted to keep her perfect record in tack and point for the one race at the end of the year and hopefully win the Classic and go out Horse of the Year. Obviously it didn't end up that way so too bad...but who really cares. It's their horse they do what they want with her and at the end of the day live with the outcome.

Dahoss

11-08-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720242)

ah running in 14 grade 1 races and only 2-3 you consider meaningful.

You know how ridiculous this is. I'm not sure why you continue to bring it up.

slotdirt

11-08-2010 02:37 PM

Days like today leave me really missing poor, old Nashoba's Key.

10 pnt move up

11-08-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720248)

You know how ridiculous this is. I'm not sure why you continue to bring it up.

I told you if I owned the horse our schedule would have been the SA Handicap, Dubai WC, HGC, Pacific Classic, JCGC and the BC Classic.

But saying she did not run in many meaningful races is just ludicris because the competition did not show up. I can make the same argument for half of Cigars races then.

Same thing happened with Azeri, so she only ran in 1-2 meaningful races...I just can't by that.

Dahoss

11-08-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720254)

Again, I know you know how ridiculous your argument is. She didn't run in meaningful races. The competition didn't show up because

A) the males couldn't
B) because dirt horses don't want to run on synth

The competition was there in the Big Cap, Hollywood Gold Cup, Pacific Classic and Goodwood. She didn't show up.

gales0678

11-08-2010 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720257)

jay stop blaming her , she wanted to run in those spots , i spoke to her , it was all the fault of moss and sheriffs:D:D

10 pnt move up

11-08-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720257)

You are the first person I have seen that thinks the Big Cap, HGC, Pacific Classic contained good horses........the fact those males are so horrendous is the reason its irritating she did not run in those races. I still don't see how she only ran in 2-3 meaningful races in her ENTIRE career when all she did was run in Grade 1 races, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Dahoss

11-08-2010 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720266)

I said the races contained good horses? Read much?

10 pnt move up

11-08-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720272)

I said the races contained good horses? Read much?

So "competition" meant what?

Dahoss

11-08-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720273)

So "competition" meant what?

You tell me. You are the one that said the competition didn't show up.

But even you have to admit there were better horses in those races than the ones she ran in before the Classic. They weren't good, but a lot better than she faced.

Indian Charlie

11-08-2010 02:54 PM

And, and, they were run at the classic distance of a mile and a quarter!!

Duvalier

11-08-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720236)

Good luck getting an answer to this.

What's your opinion on JC Guerrero for Trainer of the Year?

brockguy

11-08-2010 03:06 PM

What would her year have been like had she not gotten up by a head to defeat Anabaa's Creation last year in Del Mar?? Simply racing against open company in Californian would have been enough for many.. I wish she had gone to Dubai (she may still do) or try turf, just do something a little different to the other few years without having to leave California..

I thought it was such a remarkable run on Saturday and was clearly her best run yet. She doesn't deserve HOY but I think she'll get it!

Rupert Pupkin

11-08-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 719916)

I don't think there's any evidence to support that. Especially considering the fact that you're dealing with 2yo's without a lot of established form.

The three outliers would be the 5th, 6th and 11th- the 5th, an allowance won by almost 20 but in a rather modest time- resulting in a 73 raw Beyer; the 6th, a very fast maiden won by 8 for an 84 raw Beyer, and the 11th, a slow maiden won with a raw Beyer of 59.

5th: The connections of Blame sent out the winner, who was visually impressive- but the also-rans looked like they wanted a place to lie down. There's a good chance this is a negative key race.

6th: Steve Asmussen sends out a dominating 2yo winner who went off favored in his 2nd start and ran well, then crushes in his 3rd start. I've heard this story before.

11th: The winner went off at 3-1 despite being in the 12 hole and debuting at Presque Isle, 4th beaten 6 lengths. The only other horse to run went off favored, and was dreadful at KEE. Clearly, this was the weakest of the three maiden races at 6F on the day. Not surprising that it was also the slowest race on the day.

You might be right. It's hard to say. The filly that won the 2nd race looks like a nice filly and I would have exepcted her final time to be about a second or so faster than the winner of the final race. So that is evidence that does not support my argument.

On the other hand, the 9th race that day (an allowance race that was as strong as a stakes race) went in 1:19. That $40k filly that won the 1st race ran 1:12 3/5 which is almost as fast. Yet I don't think that filly would have finished within 5 lengths if she was in the 9th race. To me that is some evidence that the track was slower later in the day.

So I don't know. There is conflicting evidence.

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