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slotdirt 06-04-2012 03:13 PM

Well, yeah, when you whack a guy in the dome with your stick, that's going to kind of be memorable. McSorley was a throwback, and certainly a major part of the success of Wayne Gretzky in the 80's and 90's.

MaTH716 06-04-2012 09:42 PM

Jonathan Quick was ridiculous tonight. 3-0 Kings.

Danzig 06-05-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866062)
Jonathan Quick was ridiculous tonight. 3-0 Kings.

:tro:

herkhorse 06-05-2012 07:05 AM

Sometimes the playoffs are better than the Superbowl. :wf

Clip-Clop 06-05-2012 09:11 AM

I was really hoping for a few more games, the vast wasteland of sport that is post NHL playoffs is upon us. Counting on the Euro tournament to carry me through June. Devils spent it all against the Rangers, this is the classic letdown after clearing the "big" hurdle.

MaTH716 06-05-2012 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 866117)
I was really hoping for a few more games, the vast wasteland of sport that is post NHL playoffs is upon us. Counting on the Euro tournament to carry me through June. Devils spent it all against the Rangers, this is the classic letdown after clearing the "big" hurdle.

I agree somewhat, but the Kings definitely deserve alot of credit here. They are playing lights out good right now.

GBBob 06-05-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866118)
I agree somewhat, but the Kings definitely deserve alot of credit here. They are playing lights out good right now.

The seperation between 8 seeds and 1 seeds in the West, or even the East is very little. As a Hawks fan who was shut down by Quick all year I can attest to them not being a team that just got hot at the right time. LA sports fans are an oxymoron to me, but this team is the real deal. No offense Matty, but I wish they had done this to the Rangers as that would really have proved a point. Although, who knows if that is what would have happened:confused:

MaTH716 06-05-2012 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 866123)
The seperation between 8 seeds and 1 seeds in the West, or even the East is very little. As a Hawks fan who was shut down by Quick all year I can attest to them not being a team that just got hot at the right time. LA sports fans are an oxymoron to me, but this team is the real deal. No offense Matty, but I wish they had done this to the Rangers as that would really have proved a point. Although, who knows if that is what would have happened:confused:

I really believe that they are a very good team. The biggest difference for them is that pucks have found the back of the net in the post season. They really struggled to score in the regular season (Hence the 8 seed).

They didn't need to beat the Rangers to validate their success in the Playoffs. They beat 2 very good teams (handily) in Vancouver and St. Louis (I was on the fence about the Yotes). In my opinion they are a better version of the Rangers. A very solid defensive team with a stud goaltender that struggles to score goals most of the time. I do think that they have more team speed and also better skill guys then the Rangers. Also for some of these guys, it isn't their first rodeo into the finals, so they know what to expect. Obviously they have the fresher legs too.

As painful as it for me to say, I don't think that the Rangers would have fared much better than the Devils have so far.

Clip-Clop 06-05-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866127)
I really believe that they are a very good team. The biggest difference for them is that pucks have found the back of the net in the post season. They really struggled to score in the regular season (Hence the 8 seed).

They didn't need to beat the Rangers to validate their success in the Playoffs. They beat 2 very good teams (handily) in Vancouver and St. Louis (I was on the fence about the Yotes). In my opinion they are a better version of the Rangers. A very solid defensive team with a stud goaltender that struggles to score goals most of the time. I do think that they have more team speed and also better skill guys then the Rangers. Also for some of these guys, it isn't their first rodeo into the finals, so they know what to expect. Obviously they have the fresher legs too.

As painful as it for me to say, I don't think that the Rangers would have fared much better than the Devils have so far.

Very little separates the Devils, Rangers, Flyers, Penguins and Bruins when it comes down to it. The teams in the West seem to be farther apart typically (though this year is an anomaly). The Kings run this year is remarkable and no matter who they beat they deserve all the credit in the world. Switching to Sutter was the difference maker IMO. He was here for an interview with the Avs last summer and while I am a Ranger fan and have no love for Sutter I would've liked to see some winning here.

slotdirt 06-05-2012 10:45 AM

The Kings are built for postseason, tight hockey, rather than the more open affairs of the regular season.

pgiaco 06-05-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 865942)
Yeah, but how many dudes over the last 20 years have used an illegal stick whether they knew it or not? It was cherry picking by Demers, no doubt about that.

You would be surprised how few illegal sticks there are. Coaches usually have the equipment managers keep an eye on the blades to avoid just such a stupid penalty. They really do stick out like a sore thumb..I'll bet one of the players told Demers early in the game and they sat on it until later. Plus now the composite sticks are almost impossible to alter without ruining them.
One last thought, it really does warm my heart to see that the Kings are winning with a bunch of guys the Flyers felt they couldn't win with. Of course having a goaltender playing like he's the best on the planet helps quite a bit.

MaTH716 06-05-2012 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco (Post 866139)
You would be surprised how few illegal sticks there are. Coaches usually have the equipment managers keep an eye on the blades to avoid just such a stupid penalty. They really do stick out like a sore thumb..I'll bet one of the players told Demers early in the game and they sat on it until later. Plus now the composite sticks are almost impossible to alter without ruining them.

But didn't they used to alter the sticks to get more on their shots? Now that these sticks are all composite and have a tremendous amount of flex, (helping the speed of the shot) wouldn't you think that there really aren't too many illegal ones left?

pgiaco 06-05-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866141)
But didn't they used to alter the sticks to get more on their shots? Now that these sticks are all composite and have a tremendous amount of flex, (helping the speed of the shot) wouldn't you think that there really aren't too many illegal ones left?

A lot of guys used to alter the wood sticks and it was open season on the goalies, hence the rule change and enforcement. The measuring device is at the official scorer's table for every game. It is ridiculous how hard these guys (or anybody at different levels) can shoot with these composite sticks, and like I said it is virtually impossible to alter the blades now.

Heels1989 06-05-2012 01:28 PM

Wait til they start injecting sticks with Lasix. :wf

slotdirt 06-05-2012 01:51 PM

So the fact that an illegal stick penalty hasn't been called since 1993 isn't suspicious to anybody? Because I'm pretty sure wooden sticks are still being used even today and not a single NFL referee has made that call since 1993.

MaTH716 06-05-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 866184)
So the fact that an illegal stick penalty hasn't been called since 1993 isn't suspicious to anybody? Because I'm pretty sure wooden sticks are still being used even today and not a single NFL referee has made that call since 1993.

I think we are talking about an extremely extremely low percentage still using wooden sticks (if there are any).

slotdirt 06-05-2012 02:11 PM

Well, maybe not today, but between 1993 and 2012, hundreds of NHL players used wooden sticks over thousands of games.

MaTH716 06-05-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 866188)
Well, maybe not today, but between 1993 and 2012, hundreds of NHL players used wooden sticks over thousands of games.

Where did you see that an illegal stick hasn't been called since 1993?
Don't forget that if the team that questioned the stick and was wrong, they were assessed a 2 minuted delay of game penalty.
The only time teams challenged were when they were down a goal or two late in the game and wanted a late PP trying to get back in the game.

slotdirt 06-05-2012 03:17 PM

There was an article from last week on McSorley that stated there hasn't been an illegal stick penalty called in the NHL since 1993. I can't remember it being called anytime before or after to be honest.

Like I said, shenaningans were afoot in that series. The Kings of 1993 have held ever since that the Canadiens were allowed access by an enterprising security guard into the Kings locker room to investigate stick curvatures. Ergo, Demers called for the stick measurement knowing full well that there was an illegal stick (or probably seven) on the other team.

slotdirt 06-05-2012 03:18 PM

Though that article clearly was incorrect, as there appear to have been a couple more recent illegal stick penalties:

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...k-measurement/

Danzig 06-05-2012 03:23 PM

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/80...rien-new-coach


hey, at least this way montreal gets mentioned in a post-season discussion. :p


can't believe they went back to therrien-but i never understand why a team goes back to a coach a second time if they let him go once already. but hey, at least he can speak french. :rolleyes: because when one has been in a drought this long, that's what really matters.

3kings 06-05-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 866184)
So the fact that an illegal stick penalty hasn't been called since 1993 isn't suspicious to anybody? Because I'm pretty sure wooden sticks are still being used even today and not a single NFL referee has made that call since 1993.

The referee doesn't make illegal stick calls, the stick has to be challenged by the opposing team.

MaTH716 06-06-2012 09:53 PM

Devils actually get 2 past Quick tonight and it's good enough to get the series back to Newark.

Danzig 06-06-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866632)
Devils actually get 2 past Quick tonight and it's good enough to get the series back to Newark.

yeah...too bad.

slotdirt 06-07-2012 07:57 AM

I'm just psyched the games aren't starting at 10:00 like they do during the rest of the West Coast playoff games.

Clip-Clop 06-07-2012 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866632)
Devils actually get 2 past Quick tonight and it's good enough to get the series back to Newark.

That was big. The Devils D and Marty were very, very good last night. I won't be a bit surprised to see a game 6 back in LA. Game 5 will bring some violence and action into the series which I think suits the Devils a little more. I don't think they can win the series but I do see it going back to LA.

-BT- 06-07-2012 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866632)
Devils actually get 2 past Quick tonight and it's good enough to get the series back to Newark.

guess who's staying near the meadowlands sat. night
if belmont goes well we might have to re-rally and head to the rock

2 cups, one day?

-bt-

MaTH716 06-07-2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 866663)
That was big. The Devils D and Marty were very, very good last night. I won't be a bit surprised to see a game 6 back in LA. Game 5 will bring some violence and action into the series which I think suits the Devils a little more. I don't think they can win the series but I do see it going back to LA.

The Devils deserve a lot of credit for that win last night. They could have folded the tents after the Kings scored their first goal on the power play, after a ridiculous call on Clarkson. I thought they were done. But Marty outplayed Quick last night. Obviously they are still up against it big time. I think the series ends in game 5, hard not to like a team that has been perfect on the road for the entire post season.

MaTH716 06-07-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 866666)
guess who's staying near the meadowlands sat. night
if belmont goes well we might have to re-rally and head to the rock

2 cups, one day?

-bt-

You know the Rock and the Meadowlands isn't exactly across the street?
Good chance I'll end up at the Big M, zero percent chance that I end up in Newark.

-BT- 06-07-2012 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866672)
You know the Rock and the Meadowlands isn't exactly across the street?
Good chance I'll end up at the Big M, zero percent chance that I end up in Newark.

it's jersey, everything is relative to one another (ala meadowlands and rock)


meadowlands sat. night eh? you know how well thought out plans go on days like saturday right?

-bt-

pgiaco 06-07-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Heels1989 (Post 866182)
Wait til they start injecting sticks with Lasix. :wf

I've milkshaked mine and it doesn't help.

3kings 06-07-2012 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 866666)
guess who's staying near the meadowlands sat. night
if belmont goes well we might have to re-rally and head to the rock

2 cups, one day?

-bt-

I always wanted to see Richards, Carter and Gagne hoist the cup. It was supposed to be in orange though.

MaTH716 06-07-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 866704)
I always wanted to see Richards, Carter and Gagne hoist the cup. It was supposed to be in orange though.

If they had a goaltender half as good as Quick, your dream would have probably come true.

slotdirt 06-07-2012 12:02 PM

There was a Simon Gagne sighting? Who knew?

I still think it's mildly humorous that the Kings basically traded Jack Johnson for Mike Richards and Jeff Carter.

ETA - well, not exactly.

Clip-Clop 06-11-2012 03:05 PM

Bumping after another big win by the Devils Saturday night. If they bring the pain again tonight and keep making the Kings pay for every decision they make they just might pull this off tonight. That said, I am thinking 2-1 Kings in double OT.

cmorioles 06-11-2012 09:43 PM

I'm not the biggest hockey fan in the world, but leaving your goalie in with 5 minutes to go and down 4-1 seems pretty idiotic. At least try to get it to 4-2 with an extra man. Do they care if they lose 6-1 or something?

cmorioles 06-11-2012 09:44 PM

As if on cue, they pull him and give up an empty netter!

MaTH716 06-12-2012 07:56 AM

Congrats to the Kings, finished off a tremendous run in grand fashion.

hi_im_god 06-12-2012 01:13 PM

the last time i remember 3 goals being scored on a major was when the blues did it to the kings in the 98 playoffs. helped wipe out a 4-0 lead in a game and series the kings lost.

i particularly like that ron hextall was there when the conn smythe was given to quick. i'm sure he pointed out his name on the trophy. i hope hextall stays with the kings for as long as possible but i think he'll be a gm somewhere else soon.

quick was a slam dunk for the award. the devils outplayed the kings in game 2 and just couldn't get it past him. he was insanely good other than the two obvious flubs.

3kings 06-12-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 868305)
the last time i remember 3 goals being scored on a major was when the blues did it to the kings in the 98 playoffs. helped wipe out a 4-0 lead in a game and series the kings lost.

i particularly like that ron hextall was there when the conn smythe was given to quick. i'm sure he pointed out his name on the trophy. i hope hextall stays with the kings for as long as possible but i think he'll be a gm somewhere else soon.

quick was a slam dunk for the award. the devils outplayed the kings in game 2 and just couldn't get it past him. he was insanely good other than the two obvious flubs.

Quick was the difference in every game. The Devils scored about 2 goals in the entire series that weren't deflected or because of a wierd bounce.


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