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hockey2315 11-08-2010 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 719951)
Are you kidding me. So you blackthroat wind and stupid you are the people who are the intelligent ones? The rest of us are trolls and not intelligent enough for your vast expert opinion? Comon man this is absolutley ridiculous! You think you know it all, but you still don't get it. Zenyatta has to be considered one of the greatest ever. She beat gio ponti in the classic last year. The only horse he has lose to are super fillies goldikova and zenyatta. With a little racing luck he would have won the arlington million twice! She beat a great horse called ginger punch on the dirt and barely lost to blame having a horrible start and being checked and going 6 wide and you people still bash her! Plus your telling me shes not good for the sport? Did you hear and see all the people cheering for her? If that isn't good for the sport what is? :rolleyes:
These gems plus your overall inability to put a sentence together aren't really helping to loft you into that 10%.

NTamm1215 11-08-2010 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 719967)
These gems plus your overall inability to put a sentence together aren't really helping to loft you into that 10%.
Wait, you were too kind, you didn't include the part about how Gio Ponti has only lost to super fillies like Zenyatta and Goldikova.

What does that say about Interpatation:eek:

hockey2315 11-08-2010 10:47 AM
She's simply not one of the greatest horses of all time. I don't know why everyone feels the need to make her one. She's an excellent mare with an excellent record, and probably one of the best mares of all time going long on dirt and fake stuff. But, I can think of at least three other horses since 2005 that would have beaten her comfortably Saturday. . . and a few more on turf that blow her out of the water as far as pure ability.

RockHardTen1985 11-08-2010 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 719973)
She's simply not one of the greatest horses of all time. I don't know why everyone feels the need to make her one. She's an excellent mare with an excellent record, and probably one of the best mares of all time going long on dirt and fake stuff. But, I can think of at least three other horses since 2005 that would have beaten her comfortably Saturday.

Please name the 3 that would beat her comfortably going 10f on dirt. Thanks.

slotdirt 11-08-2010 11:00 AM
If you take the Bloodhorse top 100 list of U.S. horses for the 1900's and extrapolate it to include the years 2000-2010, where does Zenyatta rank on that list?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-H...e_20th_Century

What other American horses from 2000 on would merit consideration? Ghostzapper? Rachel Alexandra? Tiznow?

Anyway, Swaps is 20th on that list. Could you place Zenyatta above Swaps? How about Phar Lap at 22nd? John Henry at 23rd? Ruffian at 35th? Busher at 40th? Personal Ensign at 48th? Twilight Tear at 59th? All Along at 68th?

WHere would she belong?

hockey2315 11-08-2010 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719974)
Please name the 3 that would beat her comfortably going 10f on dirt. Thanks.
Curlin, Invasor, Bernardini.

ateamstupid 11-08-2010 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 719951)
Are you kidding me. So you blackthroat wind and stupid you are the people who are the intelligent ones? The rest of us are trolls and not intelligent enough for your vast expert opinion? Comon man this is absolutley ridiculous! You think you know it all, but you still don't get it. Zenyatta has to be considered one of the greatest ever. She beat gio ponti in the classic last year. The only horse he has lose to are super fillies goldikova and zenyatta. With a little racing luck he would have won the arlington million twice! She beat a great horse called ginger punch on the dirt and barely lost to blame having a horrible start and being checked and going 6 wide and you people still bash her! Plus your telling me shes not good for the sport? Did you hear and see all the people cheering for her? If that isn't good for the sport what is? :rolleyes:
What is this obsession you have with me? Did I say the 90%/10% thing? Or are you too dumb to look at the poster's name and just assume that if it's something you disagree with it's me or Andy. I'm seriously getting a little creeped out by you addressing every single post you make to me.

And Gio Ponti lost to Interpatation, Winchester and Debussy too you ignorant mouthbreather.

The Bid 11-08-2010 11:12 AM
Some people just know it all I guess.

Cannon Shell 11-08-2010 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 719951)
Are you kidding me. So you blackthroat wind and stupid you are the people who are the intelligent ones? The rest of us are trolls and not intelligent enough for your vast expert opinion? Comon man this is absolutley ridiculous! You think you know it all, but you still don't get it. Zenyatta has to be considered one of the greatest ever. She beat gio ponti in the classic last year. The only horse he has lose to are super fillies goldikova and zenyatta. With a little racing luck he would have won the arlington million twice! She beat a great horse called ginger punch on the dirt and barely lost to blame having a horrible start and being checked and going 6 wide and you people still bash her! Plus your telling me shes not good for the sport? Did you hear and see all the people cheering for her? If that isn't good for the sport what is? :rolleyes:
It is telling that you included yourself in the 90%.

Of course your assertions that Gio Ponti and Ginger Punch are tremendous historical measuing sticks places you in the lower portion of the 90%.

Yeah luck, 'what could have been', cheering, etc are all things that we should take into consideration when evaluating horses and their records.

It really isn't my fault that so many people refuse to learn the history of the sport or in your case simply see what you want to see regardless of how delusional that you are. Checked? 6 wide?

Peyton Hillis nightmares last night?

Cannon Shell 11-08-2010 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 719989)
What is this obsession you have with me? Did I say the 90%/10% thing? Or are you too dumb to look at the poster's name and just assume that if it's something you disagree with it's me or Andy. I'm seriously getting a little creeped out by you addressing every single post you make to me.

And Gio Ponti lost to Interpatation, Winchester and Debussy too you ignorant mouthbreather.
You answer to stupid?

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-08-2010 11:16 AM
thread of the year in the making..

Cannon Shell 11-08-2010 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bid (Post 719993)
Some people just know it all I guess.
Some of us don't fall for pagentry.

ateamstupid 11-08-2010 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719997)
You answer to stupid?
That's the cleverest name he could come up with for me. His hard-on for me is really getting weird.

RockHardTen1985 11-08-2010 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 719988)
Curlin, Invasor, Bernardini.
Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.

Sightseek 11-08-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 720013)
Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.
90/10

ateamstupid 11-08-2010 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 720013)
Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.
He didn't show up? Are you kidding me? But Zenyatta did? There's no way you believe the things you're writing.

The Bid 11-08-2010 11:29 AM
If you don't like the entire game Cannon why train?

The Pagentry is part of it. That doesn't mean she wasnt a great mare, she was.

hockey2315 11-08-2010 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 720013)
Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.
So you don't think either or all of them would have finished in front of Blame, or you don't think they would have finished in front of Blame because Zenyatta's little nosey was right there with his?

RockHardTen1985 11-08-2010 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 720028)
So you don't think either or all of them would have finished in front of Blame, or you don't think they would have finished in front of Blame because Zenyatta's little nosey was right there with his?
I think it would all depend. Both had similar running styles. Curlins best was better then Blame, but Im not sure Invasor's was.

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-08-2010 11:41 AM
history will show that the 'queen' zenyatta not only was just ok on the dirt at 10f .check the times .. that the hollywood press machine can still get the propaganda rolling enough to make her a 'superhorse'. the problem bieng history didnt start from 2006 on..shes a good horse who raced many of her
wins vs less than challenging or weak fields. if she was in a time warp to 1999 she would have been destroyed and probebly not been in the top 7

http://breederscup.com/images/99classic.gif


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