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taxicab 05-20-2017 01:02 AM
As a rule of thumb I avoid second choices with a passion,but I think Classic Empire is the one on Saturday.

moses 05-20-2017 07:24 AM
Am I an idiot for putting some money on Conquest Mo Money to win? He looks like the only early speed horse in the race. Having not run in the derby, I'm hoping he's a little fresher and can get a nice run. Really like him at 15-1. We'll see what his final odds are.

10 pnt move up 05-20-2017 10:17 AM
Lot of talk about no pace in this race, wonder if there isnt some early movement by some of the riders and then it becomes a legit pace?

Rudeboyelvis 05-20-2017 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1091469)
Am I an idiot for putting some money on Conquest Mo Money to win? He looks like the only early speed horse in the race. Having not run in the derby, I'm hoping he's a little fresher and can get a nice run. Really like him at 15-1. We'll see what his final odds are.
I like quite a bit and don't think the post is a problem at all

Mike 05-20-2017 10:57 AM
Multiplier to win with a tri key cover of Always Dreaming over Multiplier, Conquest and Classic Empire

knickslions2 05-20-2017 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1091490)
I like quite a bit and don't think the post is a problem at all
Ya could be sneaky on lead here or push 4 and 5 to set up 3,6. I think he is key horse in this race. Good luck Dan

Mike 05-20-2017 11:49 AM
A lot of money coming in on Multiplier and Conquest Mo Money

http://www.nj.com/horse-racing/index...ting_info.html

cakes44 05-20-2017 05:55 PM
Great call on CC by one or two on here. I seriously thought that horse sucked ass.

10 pnt move up 05-20-2017 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1090824)
Even I wouldn't make a stupid comment calling Cloud Computing a "likely" Preakness winner but I'm not sure he isn't the third likeliest winner behind Always Dreaming and Classic Empire.

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.
Hey man, great handicapping, I was never into this horse but you nailed him so hope you hit it good.

Rudeboyelvis 05-20-2017 06:29 PM
Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

10 pnt move up 05-20-2017 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1091616)
Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.
he ran a good race but with that slow pace and jump on the other horses how did he lose? Decent enough horse but will always be overbet.

Dunbar 05-20-2017 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1090814)
Cloud Computing feels like a very likely winner of the Preakness.
:tro:



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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1090824)
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His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.
:tro:

richard burch 05-20-2017 11:49 PM
Congrats to C.C. and the connections. Did what they needed to win.

freddymo 05-21-2017 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1091616)
Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.
Nope

RolloTomasi 05-21-2017 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1091617)
he ran a good race but with that slow pace and jump on the other horses how did he lose? Decent enough horse but will always be overbet.
Was that a slow pace? The early fractions, including the 6f mark were barely a second behind the 2 sprint stakes won by Recruiting Ready and Whitmore respectively, both of whom are in top form and amid win streaks.

NTamm1215 05-21-2017 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1091617)
he ran a good race but with that slow pace and jump on the other horses how did he lose? Decent enough horse but will always be overbet.
The Preakness pace was slow? I disagree.

NTamm1215 05-21-2017 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1091616)
Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.
A juvenile champion, who has a Grade I win this year, who ran the best race in the Preakness is helplessly over-hyped?

Given all that Classic Empire accomplished as a 2YO and the way he has come to hand after a few rocky months as a 3YO I don't see how that argument can be made.

10 pnt move up 05-21-2017 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1091653)
The Preakness pace was slow? I disagree.
Yea, I felt it was kind to the front runners, he was 2 wide with a horse who chucked it at the 3/8ths pole....

I guess I am just no longer a fan of this horse, he ran very well but dang he should have won, and if he didnt win here.... at 7/5 or so the rest of the way I just dont want him.

You are correct though, was not slow.

RolloTomasi 05-21-2017 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1091654)
A juvenile champion, who has a Grade I win this year, who ran the best race in the Preakness is helplessly over-hyped?

Given all that Classic Empire accomplished as a 2YO and the way he has come to hand after a few rocky months as a 3YO I don't see how that argument can be made.
If Classic Empire's career arc is reminiscent of any former horse I would suggest Chief's Crown.

After a futile run in the Derby and getting tagged in the Preakness, he didn't stay the Belmont trip but went on to win the Travers and the Marlboro Cup (maybe the last edition?) later on that year.

Rudeboyelvis 05-21-2017 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1091654)
A juvenile champion, who was a complete no-show in the Holy Bull against 2 now-confirmed plugs and subsequently life and death to get a nose past Conquest Mo Money in one of the weaker preps, then failed in each of his two triple crown bids as favorite/2nd choice

Given all that Classic Empire accomplished as a 2YO and never developed as a 3yo does actually remind me of a Dortmund-type horse
FTFY ;)


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