Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822522)

I said because they are my team, I was just messing around. Before the ACC championship game I did think they were playing really well though. I have a problem with Frank Bemer. He always seems to lose the big games. Im sick of him.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 822527)

The Big 10 was down, the Big East was down, the Pac 10 was down, etc. They beat the **** out of Baylor 59-24 who you like. They put up 52 against K State who is a top 10 team. They beat OK 44-10 when they were ranked in the top 10. They played 3 games all season that they didnt dominate. How many teams didnt have multiple losses?

You can have another chance to lose money betting against them against Stanford

Originally Posted by BigBlue (Post 822500)

Seems like this is one thing we could all rally around President Obama on. In 2008, he said

"I think any sensible person would say that if you've got a bunch of teams who play throughout the season, and many of them have one loss or two losses, there's no clear decisive winner that we should be creating a playoff system. Eight teams. That would be three rounds, to determine a national champion. It would add three extra weeks to the season. You could trim back on the regular season. I don't know any serious fan of college football who has disagreed with me on this. So, I'm gonna throw my weight around a little bit. I think it's the right thing to do."

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822529)

Do you think they are better then Bame or LSU? Even if Im wrong about them and everything else, the bottom line is are they better then those 2 teams? I think Bama's loss was A LOT BETTER THEN OK ST LOSS.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 822484)

think about this 1st round-Hell you could reward the higher seeds by making these home games
LSU vs Va Tech
Alabama vs TCU
Ok State vs Baylor
Stanford vs Clemson
Oregon vs Michigan
Arkansas vs Michigan State
Boise st vs Kansas state
Wisconsin vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822529)

Do you think they are better then Bame or LSU? Even if Im wrong about them and everything else, the bottom line is are they better then those 2 teams? I think Bama's loss was A LOT BETTER THEN OK ST LOSS.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 822541)

16 for football will make the regular season games and confrence championship games less important.

Why not just a simple 8-team tourney... 6 automatic spots going to the Conference champions of the six major confrences. One automatic spot going to the highest rated non BCS confrence champion. And one at-large selection going to the highest rated team who doesn't qualify.

The 1st round would look like so:

8-seed West Virgina at 1-seed LSU
7-seed Clemson at 2-seed Alabama
6-seed Wisconson at 3-seed Oklahoma State
5-seed Boise State at 4-seed Oregon

The remaining games in the playoff tourney would be played at alternating locations like the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, etc.

This would achieve making the regular season more important, making the conference title games more important, and having a meaningful playoff that is way better than the current Bowl system.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 822541)

16 for football will make the regular season games and confrence championship games less important.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 822541)

16 for football will make the regular season games and confrence championship games less important.

Why not just a simple 8-team tourney... 6 automatic spots going to the Conference champions of the six major confrences. One automatic spot going to the highest rated non BCS confrence champion. And one at-large selection going to the highest rated team who doesn't qualify.

The 1st round would look like so:

8-seed West Virgina at 1-seed LSU
7-seed Clemson at 2-seed Alabama
6-seed Wisconson at 3-seed Oklahoma State
5-seed Boise State at 4-seed Oregon

The remaining games in the playoff tourney would be played at alternating locations like the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, etc.

This would achieve making the regular season more important, making the conference title games more important, and having a meaningful playoff that is way better than the current Bowl system.

Originally Posted by BigBlue (Post 822543)

Not sure that you could improve on this layout - I hope this is where we're headed.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 822545)

Could they be any less important than the LSU/Alabama game this year looks now?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 822484)

Actually they are leaving a ton of money on the table. A playoff would be far more lucratitive than the BCS. The thing is that the people who make the decisions are corrupt and laughingly so. Can you imagine what the ratings would be for games that actually meant something as opposed to last weekend when the conference championships were fairly meaningless? Just look at some of these BCS bowls this year?
Outside of the Rose and Fiesta bowls which are interesting matchups the others are fairly embarrassing. #13 Michigan versus #11 Va Tech? #23 WV versus #15 Clemson?
40% of BCS bowls dont even have a top 10 team.

think about this 1st round-Hell you could reward the higher seeds by making these home games
LSU vs Va Tech
Alabama vs TCU
Ok State vs Baylor
Stanford vs Clemson
Oregon vs Michigan
Arkansas vs Michigan State
Boise st vs Kansas state
Wisconsin vs South Carolina

Assume that the higher seeds win all the games
2nd round
LSU vs Wisconsin (Outback)
Alabama vs Boise State (Orange)
Ok State vs Arkansas (Cotton)
Stanford vs Oregon (Rose)

LSU vs Stanford (Fiesta)
Alabama vs ok State (Sugar)

LSU vs Alabama


You dont think that series of games to get to LSU/Alabama wouldnt be 50 times more lucratitive? Oh yeah but they would have to share the money, unlike the way the system is set up now...

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822503)

OK St is not good. They lost as a 31 point favorite. That alone should make them ineligable for a National Title shot.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 822445)

a Playoff system wouldnt mean the elimination of the bowl system

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 822560)

as i've said in the past, if the money was there, they wouldn't hesitate to look at a change or make a change. what compelling reason is there to change? because some people want it? others don't, or don't care.


i'm in the don't care how it's settled camp. it's just football. i watch it for entertainment. i don't lose sleep over how the 'champ' is crowned. it's not something i have any control over, so i don't worry about it. if they change the system, ok. if they don't, ok.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 822561)

they are a damn close to #2 team for a reason. they are good, they had a good year. their only loss in double overtime at a very emotional time for the school.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822654)

Yup I get the emotional time for the school talk, I really do. They were still 31 point favorites. My point is this.... Whos loss is better Bama or OK ST? I dont even think there can be an argument to that question.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 822680)

If you keep asking that question, you really don't get the emotional part, you just don't.

Let me ask this, who has better wins?

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822686)

Thats not a clear cut answer either. All the "good" teams in the Big 12 sucked this year. Texas, OU?? THey have been horrible.