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slotdirt 12-03-2009 08:19 AM

Busher? I'm guessing Twilight Tear and Gallorette comparisons can't be too far behind.

Smooth Operator 12-03-2009 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
God it must throw a wrench in your logic -- since I was as steadfastly on the Invasor over Bernardini wagon before they ever raced as I am on the Rachel over Zenyatta wagon now.

Weird how analysis works, eh?

To boot, like Anti said, that has nothing to do with anything, really, just saying your convenient "thank god!" doesn't really do much for lots of people.

Well, one out of two really isn't that bad, spencer


And yes, I'm under no delusions here … I know many of the lemmings had their (simple) minds made up about how they were gunna cast those HotY ballots when they saw RA handle some really horrible fillies and a bunch of mediocre (at best) colts in the first half of the year.

Exact same thing happened in '04 with the young Jones colt. Thankfully sanity prevailed in the end that year.

Can't say the same about '97, though, when these misguided voters made arguably the biggest blunder in Eclipse award history by handing HotY to some overrated 2yo.


There is one silver lining in all this, though … it will be much more satisfying when the reigning HotY gets beat in next year's BCC … if she even makes it to that great contest, that is.

Hell, it could even top the glorious exposure of the 'roidless (and helpless) Curlin at the '08 BC...

kgar311 12-03-2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Well, one out of two really isn't that bad, spencer


And yes, I'm under no delusions here … I know many of the lemmings had their (simple) minds made up about how they were gunna cast those HotY ballots when they saw RA handle some really horrible fillies and a bunch of mediocre (at best) colts in the first half of the year.

Exact same thing happened in '04 with the young Jones colt. Thankfully sanity prevailed in the end that year.

Can't say the same about '97, though, when these misguided voters made arguably the biggest blunder in Eclipse award history by handing HotY to some overrated 2yo.


There is one silver lining in all this, though … it will be much more satisfying when the reigning HotY gets beat in next year's BCC … if she even makes it to that great contest, that is.

Hell, it could even top the glorious exposure of the 'roidless (and helpless) Curlin at the '08 BC...




Thats a pretty strong accusation, you have proof?? I would like to say it was a piece of **** second rate surface that doesnt belong in racing caused a very good horse to look mediocre.
Or was Tiago that much of a better racehorse than Curlin:rolleyes:

Coach Pants 12-03-2009 09:32 AM

It's nauseating reading this thread but not as nauseating as the next season of Jockeys when Gary Stevens and Mike Smith have a lightweight moment and cry over a bottle of wine about Zenyatta.

NTamm1215 12-03-2009 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
It's nauseating reading this thread but not as nauseating as the next season of Jockeys when Gary Stevens and Mike Smith have a lightweight moment and cry over a bottle of wine about Zenyatta.

If that is true that's 1000x more nauseating than this thread.

:wf :wf

NT

10 pnt move up 12-03-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
If that is true that's 1000x more nauseating than this thread.

:wf :wf

NT

Smith and Stevens....would drink most here right under the table

CSC 12-03-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
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Thats a pretty strong accusation, you have proof?? I would like to say it was a piece of **** second rate surface that doesnt belong in racing caused a very good horse to look mediocre.
Or was Tiago that much of a better racehorse than Curlin:rolleyes:

Did you see Curlin's 2 races prior to last yrs Classic?

kgar311 12-03-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Did you see Curlin's 2 races prior to last yrs Classic?

and?

CSC 12-03-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
and?

He looked great huh...

10 pnt move up 12-03-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Did you see Curlin's 2 races prior to last yrs Classic?

This is Asumussen, shouldn't it just be assumed all his horses are on something illegal....as Byk said give them the benefit of doubt until there is reason not to....with this guy he has more reasons than anyone the past decade.

CSC 12-03-2009 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
and?

I think you are assuming that it was solely the surface and not that he was showing signs of slowing down prior to that race.

kgar311 12-03-2009 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
He looked great huh...

How much did he lose those races by?

CSC 12-03-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
This is Asumussen, shouldn't it just be assumed all his horses are on something illegal....as Byk said give them the benefit of doubt until there is reason not to....with this guy he has more reasons than anyone the past decade.

Probably true.

kgar311 12-03-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I think you are assuming that it was solely the surface and not that he was showing signs of slowing down prior to that race.

Im really not going to get into an argument with you if you think that there is no difference between dirt and poly, you have truly shown your ignorance on this matter with that post.

CSC 12-03-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
Im really not going to get into an argument with you if you think that there is no difference between dirt and poly, you have truly shown your ignorance on this matter with that post.

Wait a minute not so quick, you are so anti-poly that you disregard other factors for the failure of Curlin in the classic, that to me shows more ignorance than just blindly blaming it on the surface.

Travis Stone 12-03-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Wait a minute not so quick, you are so anti-poly that you disregard other factors for the failure of Curlin in the classic, that to me shows more ignorance than just blindly blaming it on the surface.

I believe Curlin's form was declining and was further compounded by the surface. It wasn't an "exposure" of the horse's true abilities, however.

CSC 12-03-2009 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I believe Curlin's form was declining and was further compounded by the surface. It wasn't an "exposure" of the horse's true abilities, however.

We agree on this one Travis, I can't remember his exact beyer from the race but it wasn't far off his normal numbers for the yr post Dubai. It also didn't help that Albarado made a very premature move that may have suited dirt races, but rarely works on synth.

Travis Stone 12-03-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
We agree on this one Travis, I can't remember his exact beyer from the race but it wasn't far off his normal numbers for the yr post Dubai.

He also moved way too early in a race that loved the last move.

10 pnt move up 12-03-2009 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I believe Curlin's form was declining and was further compounded by the surface. It wasn't an "exposure" of the horse's true abilities, however.

How about a rider deciding to commence his run to the lead on the turn? If he waits he is right there with the other two euro horses....and yes his form was declining, he handled the surface fine.

10 pnt move up 12-03-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
He also moved way too early in a race that loved the last move.

ok, did not see your post before I posted.


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