Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Of course I don't believe everything I see on TV, and I do acknowledge the fact that other governments are corrupt. Some are a lot more corrupt than ours. I'm just saying that our government is corrupt and they do lie to us quite a bit.

As for you thinking that DaHoss was in the wrong for saying that I was brainwashed, well, I expect more of you.

I'll PM you. I want to talk to you about something. SO please hold off on further bashing until I talk to you.

Originally Posted by GBBob

Don't you think Ron Paul is thinking for you just a little?
It's not chicken or egg..It's KRIM or RP

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Originally Posted by Mortimer

BUT ..you do believe everything you see on.......youtubed!!?



Hemostat....forecips......scalpel.........in any oder......I'm simply going to punch a hole in her head anyways.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

haha! Is that youtubed or you-tu-bed.

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I forgot....nail punch...hammer...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Do those come in any 'oder' too?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Do those come in any 'oder' too?

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Oh so I messed it up...like it's a big deal around here.






Yer mekin' me sick already.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I couldn't care a less what other countries do. I am only concerned about my country, and you cannot argue with the FACT that Benazir Bhutto said that on England's television.

What, and you don't think they're lying to us? Where have you been? Hello, Iraq war... the study that was just all over the news that said that the Bush administration had lied to the people 935 times.

When multiple other countries say it and question it, yes. I think any one is a fool to be so close-minded about these things. All you have to do is read our foreign policy document. And I will not argue with you until you read it and understand its implications.

Just for the record, I don't think that lie about everything. I just think it is very corrupt and that they are lying to us. Am I so wrong to question what our government is doing? Didn't you just say in a few posts back or in a different thread that our government was corrupt as well?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I wonder what the pm is going to be about.....

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You can find all of the other videos of this discussion made by the Japanese Parliament on youtube.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I couldn't care a less what other countries do. I am only concerned about my country

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Just for the record, I don't think that lie about everything. I just think it is very corrupt and that they are lying to us. Am I so wrong to question what our government is doing? Didn't you just say in a few posts back or in a different thread that our government was corrupt as well?

Originally Posted by pdrift1

By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL – Jan 22, 2008

WASHINGTON (AP) — A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.

White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat.

"The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said.

The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."

Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.

Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.

The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.

"The cumulative effect of these false statements — amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts — was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded.

"Some journalists — indeed, even some entire news organizations — have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

They had bad information. This Administration is not the only one who had bad information. Let me quote Speaker of the House Pelosi back in 1998. This was when Clinton was President. In 1998 Pelosi said, "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Let me quote Bill Clinton in 1998. In 1998 President Clinton said, "We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

Here is a letter from John Kerry to President Clinton back in 1998. "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

There are a ton of other quotes like this from both Democrats and Republicans dating back to the 1990s. I don't think they were intentionally lying. I think they really believed that Iraq had WMDs. I think they had bad information.

Anyway, that's my final two cents in this thread.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.