Kenny P, what is your definition of smallminded idiots? If its anyone who won't annoint Bernadini one of the greats yet, than you can add me proudly to that club of smallminded idiots.
I think everyone realizes that hes a very good horse, but some would like to see him take on those horses in the BCC and stamp himself as great before just handing that title over to him. I don't think thats at all unreasonable.

What was wrong with his statement? I thought it was pretty accurate...

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Oracle .. My comment about smidiots had nothing to do with Bernadini. Its about the tone of the discussions here. Some are down right nasty. You seem to draw alot of venom with your posts( which I happen to like) ..the posts not the venom. I would like to see more talk about races than the constant sniping.KP

He made a black or white statement. There is a grey area and that's where Bernardini lives for right now.

If Invasor doesn't run in the BCC it will arguably be one of the weakest classic fields yet. Outside of Lava Man and Bernardini, there are nothing but a bunch of bridesmaids.

Horse racing is just like any other sport. Teams and individuals are always compared to past champions and there are certain accomplishments that have to be met before the masses concede their greatness.

And really all of the doubters are speaking up because the Bernardini goo gooism is getting ridiculous. He's a really good horse but there are many questions going into the big race that have yet to be answered.

read on drf that invasor WILL be supplemented, and will run in the bcc. that unless bern misses the bc, discreet cat will not run that day. that sucks....either/or.

Oh yeah well thats a very valid thing. Points and counterpoints, and opinion disagreements actually produce the most lievely and intelligent discussions though. It wouldn't be a very good place if someone posted a thought and everyone agreed.
Some folks though don't contribute a whole lot in the means of information or original thought, and spend most of their time trying to "prove" or shoot down something that others say without ever adding anything of interest. They are full time devil's advocates.
I actually think threads like last night's spat between BB and randall was awesome. I mean two guys disagreeing over the places in history of two of the finest horses ever to race, and you end up with all this info and history and stats on them that many people, especially the younger crowd, may be learning for the first time.
Give me 100 of those over the devils advocate, always after the race is over threads anyday.

You are correct in stating that horse players in general are never happy.

I agree with all of that, but you have to admit that some people just aren't happy any way you look at it. Personally, I think we have been blessed with a few of the most talented 3 year olds I've seen. Whether or not they've been facing subpar fields... I just don't know. I am of the same opinion of Bernardini as you... I want to see more. The reality is though... IF he beats everyone in the BCC, will he be called a fraud because the quality of the field isn't considered "great?" I think that's what Travis Stone was saying... Bern can't win for winning.

Hey Paisjpg,

DO NOT mess with my posts. You are so far over your head it's embarassing.

:mad:

One of the reasons why horse racing fans aren't happy is due to the small fields and the constant ducking and dodging the connections due to avoid real competition. The JCGC was a shining example of what's wrong with the sport. A 3yr old, not an accomplished older horse, scares away everyone but Aidan O'Brien and Nick Zito. One of the most prestigious races in North America is reduced to essentially a match race between a speed and fader and the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Now tell me, why should the racing fan be happy with a race like that?

P.S. And Bernardini's connections aren't innocent of this either. I don't care what anyone says. He wasn't ready for the Derby but magically two weeks later he's ready? Yeah right.

The internet tough guy has spoken.

A racing fan SHOULDN'T be happy with a race like that, but the question is... IF he wins the BCC against another ho-hum field, will he be called a fraud?

Haha. Ohhhhh scary.

dixie...I will edit any post--yours or otherwise that I feel crosses a line of proper personal etiquette. If you do not like that then I would be happy to show you the door. You can rest assured that I make these edits with steve's blessing so whining to him will not work.
If you wanted to disagree with travis stone's comment that is one thing...calling his words those of an imbecile are quite another and go against the atmosphere that steve is trying to foster here.

Nobody is calling him a fraud. He's a really good horse and he'll have to be considered great if he wins the race. Will it justify comparing him to the all-time greats? More than likely not, but it will happen unfortunately.

Yes, I will think he's a great horse, I just want a bigger field. I do not dislike the horse, but I don't like all of the lavish praise he gets. I would happily proclaim him one of the greats if he wins, even if he guts it out and just gets up, I would be more happy with a finish like that, it would show he has some heart...

Agreed. And that's how I feel too...

Me too, and you are talking to a guy who thinks Larry Holmes got screwed out of his place in history in the boxing world because there wasn't anyone around for him to fight who was any good when he was in his prime.
I just wanna see him meet a full field of decent horses with an honest pace and should he win like a great horse, I'll shower the praise down upon him.

If this was a Pletcher or Dutrow horse or some trainer its trendy to bash, then he would be getting even more folks questioning him, and thats a fact.
I think after the BCC in less than 4 weeks that everyone will be on the same page with him. Especially if he meets Invasor.

I do not know who you are and I could care less. You want Steve's bleesings that's fine with me.

I've grown to LIKE the guy and unless I'm a bad judge of people he can stand up for himself.

Whomever Travis Stone is the comments I pointed out were LAME.

As far as you go, GET LOST................

Cat Fight!!!!...Dixie, pais is the down and dirty type. She might be tough to take. I'll make the line -350 on Pais.