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Coach Pants 10-05-2006 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I said its unbettable for ME!!!! I also said that Joel's theory of taking 5-1 or better on this surface might be great idea and proposed taking 10-1.
You'll never beat me on any horse knowledge in any area, never, ever.
But you are a funny guy. Don't take it personally.

With the full fields of course you should look for value. I thought that was common knowledge? I don't know what I would do without the brilliant advice you two give. It's great that we've got so many professional horsemen such as yourself to let us little people know where we stand.

And they wonder why the sport is dying.

oracle80 10-05-2006 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
With the full fields of course you should look for value. I thought that was common knowledge? I don't know what I would do without the brilliant advice you two give. It's great that we've got so many professional horsemen such as yourself to let us little people know where we stand.

And they wonder why the sport is dying.

Are you really a little person like the chick Shatner's gonna bang on Boston legal? That kinda little?

Coach Pants 10-05-2006 02:22 PM

Oh yeah here's some advice. Bet trainers who have experience training and running horses on polytrack.

You can thank me later for my brilliance.

Sincerely,

Captain Obvious

P.S. Bernardini is a great horse

Coach Pants 10-05-2006 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Are you really a little person like the chick Shatner's gonna bang on Boston legal? That kinda little?

Are you fat from the meds or the food? Or is that pic of you old and you've gone on the Slimfast diet?

TitanSooner 10-05-2006 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
You just said that you completely gave up on handicapping polytrack because of With a City winning the Lane's End. I didn't bet him but can see how someone could have and considering the other horses in the field I don't think it was that unusual of an outcome. If I swore off betting every track where a field of mediocre 2yos or 3yos met in a stakes race and a longshot won I'd be out of tracks to play by now.

agreed.


My rule of thumb for betting Keeneland.. bet whoever you want, it's your money!!! I'm no better handicappar than anyone else here, but I actually am looking forward to Hollywood Park for the first time, I am always sad when SA ends.

Geez.. get over it. Whining isn't going to keep these tracks from doing what is economical and good for the horses.

pba1817 10-05-2006 02:26 PM

People, I am posting this again because I posted it on the second page of this thread and it seems that everyone is missing the real point of Polytrack, at least the reasons for it in California.


http://www.chrb.ca.gov/

Read the sections, Administration Hearings and Complaints/Accusations.

IMO, this is the real reason the people in control are leaning to Polytrack, and thats to hopefully reduce/eliminate the necessity for trainers to cheat just to get their horses healthy enough to be competitive. Yes there is the fact that the people who manufacture and produce the Polytrack are going to profit as well, but I do not think the conspiracy runs that deep.

Do you all remember when Jeff Mullins said anyone who bets on horses is a moron or stupid???? Well he knows exactly what is going on out there on the backside at racetracks and he was simply trying to be honest and do people a favor... The game in its current form its not on the up and up, maybe it never has been, but right now the cheating is out of control.

oracle80 10-05-2006 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Are you fat from the meds or the food? Or is that pic of you old and you've gone on the Slimfast diet?

Your mom likes her lovers on the heavy side.

Cunningham Racing 10-05-2006 02:27 PM

For example, here's what I'd do in the Alcibaides ---

Bet $2 (or whatever units your comfortable with in your wagering system) to WIN on the following horses and sit back and watch:

-X Star (10-1 ML)
-Bel Air Beauty (30-1 ML)
-Pro Pink (30-1 ML)
-Get Ready Bertie (20-1 ML)
-Gatorize (12-1 ML)
-Her Majesty (12-1 ML)


......it'll cost $12 (or whatever your units are) and you'll at least get even money and likely better if any of these fillies wins...

Good luck!

oracle80 10-05-2006 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817
People, I am posting this again because I posted it on the second page of this thread and it seems that everyone is missing the real point of Polytrack, at least the reasons for it in California.


http://www.chrb.ca.gov/

Read the sections, Administration Hearings and Complaints/Accusations.

IMO, this is the real reason the people in control are leaning to Polytrack, and thats to hopefully reduce/eliminate the necessity for trainers to cheat just to get their horses healthy enough to be competitive. Yes there is the fact that the people who manufacture and produce the Polytrack are going to profit as well, but I do not think the conspiracy runs that deep.

Do you all remember when Jeff Mullins said anyone who bets on horses is a moron or stupid???? Well he knows exactly what is going on on the backside at racetracks and he was simply trying to be honest and do people a favor... The game in its current form its not on the up and up, maybe it never has been, but right now the cheating is out of control.

Thats nice to believe but don't you think its because of the supposed savings on track maintenance moreso than anything else?

SniperSB23 10-05-2006 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
For example, here's what I'd do in the Alcibaides ---

Bet $2 (or whatever units your comfortable with in your wagering system) to WIN on the following horses and sit back and watch:

-X Star (10-1 ML)
-Bel Air Beauty (30-1 ML)
-Pro Pink (30-1 ML)
-Get Ready Bertie (20-1 ML)
-Gatorize (12-1 ML)
-Her Majesty (12-1 ML)


......it'll cost $12 (or whatever your units are) and you'll at least get even money and likely better if any of these fillies wins...

Good luck!

I'm probably betting Pro Pink, Her Majesty, and X Star so that pretty much guarantees that one of the other three you mentioned winds up winning.

pba1817 10-05-2006 02:29 PM

Oracle-

Economics are a part of it too. California racing is in poor shape.

Coach Pants 10-05-2006 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Your mom likes her lovers on the heavy side.

She did. Unfortunately she's dead, just like your comeback skills.

oracle80 10-05-2006 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817
Oracle-

Economics are a part of it too. California racing is in poor shape.

I find it hard to believe that economics arent ALL OF IT!!
If they cared so much about hosrse health, why didnt they give us a deeper surface years ago? Just deeper dirt.

oracle80 10-05-2006 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
She did. Unfortunately she's dead, just like your comeback skills.

Sorry man, for real.

Coach Pants 10-05-2006 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Sorry man, for real.

Oh it's ok. Teachers have it rough. She'll come alive next week for fall break.

Haha sucker. :D

pba1817 10-05-2006 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
I find it hard to believe that economics arent ALL OF IT!!
If they cared so much about hosrse health, why didnt they give us a deeper surface years ago? Just deeper dirt.


I think that might just be a case of trying to put the cat back into the bag....

The TOC(Thoroughbred Owners of California) obviously cares about horse health, they own the dang horses, the TOC is a large part of the CHRB(California Horse Racing Board) with TOC members holding positions on the CHRB board of directors. So no, I do not believe that this is all about economics.

oracle80 10-05-2006 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Oh it's ok. Teachers have it rough. She'll come alive next week for fall break.

Haha sucker. :D

You bastard, ok you got me good on that one. Here I was feeling awful and hoping it wasn't just a recent thing. *******.

Cajungator26 10-05-2006 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
For example, here's what I'd do in the Alcibaides ---

Bet $2 (or whatever units your comfortable with in your wagering system) to WIN on the following horses and sit back and watch:

-X Star (10-1 ML)
-Bel Air Beauty (30-1 ML)
-Pro Pink (30-1 ML)
-Get Ready Bertie (20-1 ML)
-Gatorize (12-1 ML)
-Her Majesty (12-1 ML)


......it'll cost $12 (or whatever your units are) and you'll at least get even money and likely better if any of these fillies wins...

Good luck!

Gotta love the filly named "Gatorize." Isn't that what's going to happen this weekend in Gainesville? LOL!!! :D

Coach Pants 10-05-2006 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
You bastard, ok you got me good on that one. Here I was feeling awful and hoping it wasn't just a recent thing. *******.

Hehe. All gloves are off on yo momma jokes. :D


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