Yup, I disagree. I've never been a Zenyatta fan because of her woosie owners and trainer. But, her performance yesterday was probably the best in her career- even in defeat. It doesn't make me a goo goo zentard to say that.

You dont have a clue what you are talking about. Why dont you just read and learn something you jerkoff. She lost contact early. There is no horse running today thats in a photo w/ a horse like blame after that alone. Not to mention steading her when he was just getting her best run. Anytime you are beat a nose, there is some point in the race you could have done things differently and changed the outcome. SHe was visually the best horse and I dont see how anybody can argue that. Blame had a great ride, perfect trip and ran a wonderful race. He wasn't the best horse, but he will be, and should be HOY.

I'm really trying to be rational with the discussion here with you, so please help me out here because I really want to understand this. But why wasn't this brought up with the discussion regarding Rachel's win in the Woodward field when all of a sudden it matters this year? I think anyone would agree this BC field was far better than the one she faced in the Woodward.

Yeah, but to say that she was 5-7 lengths better is ridiculous.

Math, how many do you think she spotted them off mild pace. Honestly. She was 2-1 to blame the last 200 yards. Horses aren't supposed to come to you after the kind of trip she recieved. If anything that really debunks the figure guys who said shes too slow. She simply goes after whatever is in front of her. There is no horse running that makes a race of that after that opening quarter.

There is more kickback on dirt. I know, neither are great...I remember that quote of yours succinctly.

It would help if you quoted the person to whom you are responding.

Just sayin'.....:)

But what makes you think that she would have has enough to make her run if she was closer to the pace? Doesn't that come into play?

You said she lost 7 lengths at the quarter pole and I don't have a clue? Pretty funny stuff. You're making excuses. No need to. She ran her race. It wasn't enough to win. Life goes on.

Mild pace? Are you serious? The race completely collapsed in front of her. She ran well, but she ran the race she always runs. Like I said in the other thread, if they weren't busy talking about her f'ing dance moves all year, maybe they could've put some more speed into her for a race like this.

DrugS called this the other day. He said she'd have to run way faster early than she ever had before to stay close and that that would probably have taken the starch out of her. They went the other way with her. She's a one run closer, she made that one run and she came up short. She still ran very well, but enough with the excuses.

Can we not call each other bud and guy... Its so 2 years ago,dudes...

It may have taken a little punch outta her run being closer, but she wouldn't have needed that same punch had she been closer. She was never on even terms with Blame. Even after the wire she pulled up so quickly she had given everything she had. Gomez rode a flawless race, and Blame needed a flawless race to beat that champion. Mike Smith, he made a few mistakes and that cost her the race, HOY

She was the best horse in the race?

Are you chairman of the Buffalo Bills fan club?

She was the best horse in the race. YOu watch a lot of races. HOw can you watch that objectively and say she wasn't

Your not the only one who thinks this... Capital Otb, all morning everyone thought this.

Simmer, puppy. You're getting overexcited.

How is being closer to a meltdown pace a worse trip?

The second tier of horses, blame especially, had a dream trip, comfortable fractions. Blame is supposed to finish up well, hes a champion, he did. Zenyatta is not supposed to make that a picture.

I thought Blame was the better horse and, it sickens me to say this, had a much tougher campaign.

The results yesterday are accurate. Mrs. and Mrs. Moss got what they deserved. Now they can "What If" the rest of their lives. Maybe if they have the good fortune of getting another great horse in the barn they won't be such chicken s.hits and take some more chances with it.

Based on what? Fly Down was third and second to last early.