At this point, I think that it is an insult to Zito to mention Lukas and him together. I would take Zito any day of the week over him.

This thread has spun wildly out of control.

Just because a trainer failed to hit the board in a horse race means they do not know what they're doing?

That's indeed out of control.

No,it means if you can't hit the board with 5 horses in the Kentucky Derby,then you probably didn't know what the fk you were doing at the time.Your quote above is what is scary(do try to distort that much is amazing,but I don't think anyone will ever take notice.)

When they race 5 horses? Yes,they didn't know wtf they were doing.That's pretty obvious.At some point,people have to be measured on their judgement and performance(like with any other job.) Nobody wants to judge famous people.

Well Jay,

If Pletcher was training this horse and Pletcher had him sick for a day or two and Pletcher ran him anyway because Pletcher knew he had to make the race to stay on the Derby Trail and if Pletcher ran the 2 yo champ and undefeated colt in this race and the horse finished last at 1-20, then Pletcher would certainly be taking heat.

Half the people here would be saying he was what is wrong with racing. And someone here, sure as hell, would be saying how Pletcher f'ked the betting public by not disclosing the horse's condition.

And you'd be among the first to muster up behind those leading that charge.

Aside from the adoration Zito gets on this message board that borders on zealous worship, he makes mistakes.

You lose badly at 1-20 with the undefeated 2 yo champ that fevered up during the week, you are going to take heat.

That's real life, son.

Let me get this straight.This trainer doesn't hit the board with 5 horses entered in the 2005 Kentucky Derby,but he knew what he was doing? Bailey refused to ride Noble Causeway,but Zito knew what he was doing?



By this scary logic, any trainer that hasn't won the Derby doesn't know what they are doing right?


I am gunna let this thread go now,but I will leave it with this fine distortion above.It's always gunna be a favorite of mine.

I am not gunna respond all afternoon to your crap.This is it...KAPUT

1)Yes,he can use LA PENTA'S money to buy derby level horses....Big deal..They outbid people.
2)If Pletcher put 5 horses in 1 derby,and none of them hit the board,then he didn't know wtf he was doing at the time.That would seem obvious.If ya want to hire trainers without measuring them by performance ,then be my guest. ..We have this KNAPP guy you would adore.

I am not reading the rest.So,I ain't ignoring you.I just ain't reading your waste anymore.Like a vet told me about a dog one time..."He is a poop machine."

War Pass only costed $180K. . . LaPenta doesn't have money like the sheiks or coolmore. . . He's definitely not outbidding them

LMAO.

As for your awful rating of Stew Elliott, why don't you tell me how he's been the last year going long?

I'll save you time. 31% wins. Ave price $8.05 And you laugh at me thinking he's among the best after Ramon on the inner just cause someone who pats your back and knows a few things thinks so.

And it ain't all tanks he rides for Assmussen. His average Assman mount pays over $2.50. They certainly are not all tanks. Hardly.

Between this and your lack of elementary knowedge of the Inner maiden races, it's a wonder how you get by.

Like a great man would ask... credibility anyone?

In the case of the weakened War Pass we know somebody screwed up. Either Zito or La Penta or both. We also know for sure that horse racing continues to deceive the public by not disclosing health issues surrounding the entrants to a race.

Umm. . . how do we know that?