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stonegossard 05-26-2007 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Your missing one point stoneman...she's a 3 year old getting better eith only 3 races with a real training. SHe's move forward in all her races and has a lot more potential to improve. Easy trip...yes, but hse's getting better and better.

Spyder

Ok....loud an clear. THIS IS A NICE HORSE !!!!!!


I don't own her so maybe I am coming from a different point of view. I just thought with todays trip she should have won. Perhaps the horse that beat her is a monster..only time will tell.

I am curious to see how she runs without an optimum set up.


But all in all was a nice purchase by Simon....the horse has rapidly improved under his care.

horseofcourse 05-26-2007 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
The horse that won that Opt/clm race won by open lengths. I would guess high 70's. Will see how the other races go.

Bold Start finished 2nd in that race, and I believe he ran in some Derby preps.

ArlJim78 05-26-2007 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
My point is the horse had a perfect trip. Thats all. Probably shoulda won with that perfect trip. . But still ran very respectable. The horse who beat her is obviously a good horse to catch her with that trip.

How to you figure that with a perfect trip she should have won? The general public had the horse that beat her at 3 to 5 odds. Translation: Sumwon was supposed to take a good beating from her regardless of the trip. Instead, Sumwon made that filly fully extend herself to get by.

FYI, SWLY gets a good trip everytime because she has natural speed.

pgardn 05-26-2007 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Ok....loud an clear. THIS IS A NICE HORSE !!!!!!


I don't own her so maybe I am coming from a different point of view. I just thought with todays trip she should have won. Perhaps the horse that beat her is a monster..only time will tell.

She lost to a 3:5 favorite. Not a monster, just a better horse right now. No biggie. Twas a good race. Chuck got a 25K claim running much better. Im certainly pleased. I was not expecting this level so I guess Im easy to please.

stonegossard 05-26-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Nobody AJ.

Obviously an A*hole, I was just pointing out that she got beat by better horses and the settling comment was off base and he/she goes to the skirt card.

Whatever.


No need for to be such a dick. I am sorry your horse lost. I had zero betting interest in the race. I am a fan of Steve Byk. He knows who I am. I hope the best thing for the horse.

But if you cant see that all I am saying is she had an easy trip and shoulda run then so be it.

Damn...maybe you shouldn't own a hrose /get so emotionally involved if it is gonna cause you to go off. Take a deep breath and relax.

horseofcourse 05-26-2007 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Bold Start finished 2nd in that race, and I believe he ran in some Derby preps.

YEs, Bold STart finished 2nd in the Hutch and 3rd in Ill Derby and Derby Trial, so my guess is that horse that blew out the field in the allowance/opt claimer, will get a very high figure. My guess is around 80 for Sumwon.

horseofcourse 05-26-2007 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
How to you figure that with a perfect trip she should have won? The general public had the horse that beat her at 3 to 5 odds. Translation: Sumwon was supposed to take a good beating from her regardless of the trip. Instead, Sumwon made that filly fully extend herself to get by.

FYI, SWLY gets a good trip everytime because she has natural speed.

She will never get a bad trip I agree. She was late changing to her right lead and once she did after Willie urged her over, she had another burst to nearly win. I think with a timely lead change at the top of the stretch rather than mid stretch, she'll be ever better as others have said on here.

stonegossard 05-26-2007 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
How to you figure that with a perfect trip she should have won? The general public had the horse that beat her at 3 to 5 odds. Translation: Sumwon was supposed to take a good beating from her regardless of the trip. Instead, Sumwon made that filly fully extend herself to get by.

FYI, SWLY gets a good trip everytime because she has natural speed.


Jim

You seem like a rational person. You dont think that a horse that gets a perfect trip should win? I understand the favorite was suppose to win...but you know as well as I do that fav's dont always win.

I am not saying she ran bad today.....IMHO I just thought she shoulda won off the trip.

No need for the nuclear assault being launched at me by some. I come in peace. Lol.

horseofcourse 05-26-2007 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Jim

You seem like a rational person. You dont think that a horse that gets a perfect trip should win? I understand the favorite was suppose to win...but you know as well as I do that fav's dont always win.

I am not saying she ran bad today.....IMHO I just thought she shoulda won off the trip.

No need for the nuclear assault being launched at me by some. I come in peace. Lol.

NO assault. You make some good points. Humble Janet even had a better trip getting through on the inside and she passed Sumwon, and Sumwon did outfight her and ran past her and nearly got to LE Chateau as well. She was also getting 7 lbs from the winner as well which must be taken into account.

stonegossard 05-26-2007 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
NO assault. You make some good points. Humble Janet even had a better trip getting through on the inside and she passed Sumwon, and Sumwon did outfight her and ran past her and nearly got to LE Chateau as well. She was also getting 7 lbs from the winner as well which must be taken into account.


Exactly. I thought the 2 would easily get by her. The 2 didnt. That alone was impressive enough.

In all honesty I think sometime people who are involved in owning a horse become "blinded" at times to whats really going on. The person who called me an a-hole obviosuly cant handle losing so perhaps shouldnt be involved in the game. I am just stating some facts.

You all got a nice horse for 25k. You should be happy. After the first race the horse might not have seemd like a great buy...but she is a nice purchase.

Bigsmc 05-26-2007 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Jim

You seem like a rational person. You dont think that a horse that gets a perfect trip should win? I understand the favorite was suppose to win...but you know as well as I do that fav's dont always win.

I am not saying she ran bad today.....IMHO I just thought she shoulda won off the trip.

No need for the nuclear assault being launched at me by some. I come in peace. Lol.

No nuclear assault. You told me not to get my skirt in a knot and I responded to your juvenile comment.

I own many other horses. Which means nothing in this discussion. I was trying to make a point which I apparently failed to do, but I thank AJ for making it for me.

stonegossard 05-26-2007 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
No nuclear assault. You told me not to get my skirt in a knot and I responded to your juvenile comment.

I own many other horses. Which means nothing in this discussion. I was trying to make a point which I apparently failed to do, but I thank AJ for making it for me.


Come on man...the skirt in a knot thing was a joke. I dont even know if you own a skirt.


Good luck with everything.

my miss storm cat 05-26-2007 04:55 PM

Congrats to Sumwon, and to all of you! :)

ArlJim78 05-26-2007 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Exactly. I thought the 2 would easily get by her. The 2 didnt. That alone was impressive enough.

In all honesty I think sometime people who are involved in owning a horse become "blinded" at times to whats really going on. The person who called me an a-hole obviosuly cant handle losing so perhaps shouldnt be involved in the game. I am just stating some facts.

You all got a nice horse for 25k. You should be happy. After the first race the horse might not have seemd like a great buy...but she is a nice purchase.

As if YOU know what's really going on. thanks for enlightening everyone.
you have not provided any facts, only keep restating that you think that she should have won since she got a good trip. that's not a fact, it's your opinion.

the person that called you an a-hole was responding to your "skirt" comment.
You say you come in peace but to me it seems like you have another agenda, namely pouring cold water on some people that were a little enthusiatic about their horse. I'm sure they were all thrilled that she nearly pulled off the upset, but you had to come along and state the "facts" that what she really did was "settle" for second.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-26-2007 05:11 PM

stone gossard .....soon as you go out and find a horse ..pay for it .train it to go from 15 claimers at the mtn to 50 allw with a 30 plus beyer improvment ill take your opinion as fact....unlil then you should just be positive..as most on here are very excited ..

stonegossard 05-26-2007 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
As if YOU know what's really going on. thanks for enlightening everyone.
you have not provided any facts, only keep restating that you think that she should have won since she got a good trip. that's not a fact, it's your opinion.

the person that called you an a-hole was responding to your "skirt" comment.
You say you come in peace but to me it seems like you have another agenda, namely pouring cold water on some people that were a little enthusiatic about their horse. I'm sure they were all thrilled that she nearly pulled off the upset, but you had to come along and state the "facts" that what she really did was "settle" for second.


It's obvious yourself and some others cant handle a different opinion than yours. Thats too bad. I guess if anyone who might have a diffferent opinion on here should not be heard. Kinda of f* cked up.

No agenda

No cold water.

Just stating something that a lot of other people who saw the race might have seen.

stonegossard 05-26-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
stone gossard .....soon as you go out and find a horse ..pay for it .train it to go from 15 claimers at the mtn to 50 allw with a 30 plus beyer improvment ill take your opinion as fact....unlil then you should just be positive..as most on here are very excited ..

OMG..lol.

I feel like I am some foreign country.


I didnt know the title of this thread was "Only post opinions on here that agree with the owners of the horse".

You guys crack me up.

I will go back to my world which is called reality.

Too funny.

ateamstupid 05-26-2007 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
OMG..lol.

I feel like I am some foreign country.


I didnt know the title of this thread was "Only post opinions on here that agree with the owners of the horse".

You guys crack me up.

I will go back to my world which is called reality.

Too funny.

I think it's obviously fine to have a dissenting opinion, but I think that yours sounds a little silly.

Maybe it looked like a "perfect trip" to you, but considering all the factors that weigh in just as much if not more than the so-called "perfect trip," it was a tremendous effort.

Besides, since when is taking dirt in the face for the first time, going four wide on the far turn, getting passed by horses on the inside and outside, then coming back to lose a photo a perfect trip?

Kinda like saying Curlin got a perfect trip in the Preakness..

Scav 05-26-2007 05:46 PM

SUMWON ran her friggin eye balls out. She seems like a gritty son of a bitch because she was passed by TWO HORSES on BOTH SIDES and fought back. While I nailed the race cashing my all time high in tickets in one race (17 total tickets), if she wins that friggin race I am F'N ROLLIN in even more dough.

She is a hell of a horse. I think 8.5 panels is her max though as that pace was perfect for her today, she just got passed inside and outside and that could freak a horse out, but NO. She fires right back.

She will need a break after this though as this is two grueling races, I am guessing a 45-60 day layoff is coming

brianwspencer 05-26-2007 05:46 PM

I thought that was awesome. It was a lot of fun to watch, I really wish for you guys who were there that she could have gotten you into the winner's circle.

A fine performance anyway, she certainly looked good today and should break through in pretty short order.


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