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Old 08-20-2019, 04:15 PM
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Default steve i got 2 questions for you or anyone else

for that matter
im listening to the show [monday 8-19]

and you said paddy o prado has a big jump from 3 to 4 year old
as a better
are you just talking about there 1st start as a 4 year old
or any 4 year old regardless of how many 4 year old starts they have

and 2
you said your a big throughgraph user

is that publication just a tool like racing form
or are there selections somewhere for days races/ thanks a bunch
the old guys son
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:22 PM
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Starting with PO'P's "TGI" (sire index: average figure of his progeny at that age): Paddy offspring improve nearly 3 points (on Thoro-Graph scale) as they mature from 3 to 4. This is the 16 down to 13.1. With Prince Earl establishing a 4 as his best as a 3yo (see below), with natural development he figured to run potentially down towards a 1, easily fast enough to beat the favorites in this spot. With D'Amato willing to make the seasonal debut in a G2 spot and with the ground saving rail draw and at 12-1 (ML), he was exactly the kind of horse I want to play. Had potential to run a winning race, got a spectacularly confident ride from Franco and it worked out.



Thoro-Graph is basically $25 per card (less when you add more tracks) for these kinds of performance figures, trainer, jockey and sire/progeny stats. It's invaluable on all fronts. After first being attracted to TG for the best speed figures available, I've come to rely on all the other stats and indexes nearly as much.
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:35 PM
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Default thank you steve

i understand the top
but the bottom a little out of my league i think i ll just keep hitting your most likely and best value plays lol
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:01 AM
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Thorograph does offer a daily analysis on the bigger tracks/race days. It's a set $25 fee for that as well, with discounts if purchasing more than one card. Takes some time to learn to read the sheets so this is a nice tool from guys who do! They usually break it down into a value horse worth a win and place bet, as well as one or two others to box into exacta's etc..

Andrew
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:57 PM
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Default thank you on the rail

looks hard to decipher,,little bit over my head
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Old 08-21-2019, 01:00 PM
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looks hard to decipher,,little bit over my head
Analysis is just 3 horses played as u wish. No need to know anything about the sheets. They come up with some nuggets every once in awhile, but no one better than Steve imho
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