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Old 10-16-2009, 05:24 PM
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who are this years greatest failures?

Fresian Fire & Stardom Bound... though i guess its not really fair with injuries and all.
Stardom Bound??? I was expecting 10 G1 wins in a row but she only got 5 in a row ---> complete failure. Winning 5 Grade 1's in a row is so overrated

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Old 10-16-2009, 09:17 PM
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I think First Samurai should be on this list.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:40 PM
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I think First Samurai should be on this list.
Really?

Are you taunting Byk on his post about banning you?
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:15 PM
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:35 AM
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who was favored in that 95 derby?
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:39 AM
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I think the Timber Country/Serena's Song entry...
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Old 10-17-2009, 09:16 AM
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He actually has had the same guy calling the shots for years. Him.
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Old 10-17-2009, 09:34 AM
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Houston.....for what they paid for him, tops my list
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:32 AM
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Houston.....for what they paid for him, tops my list
Great call on that one.

He started out like he was worth a lot more than what they paid for him.

A debut win by over 12 in July at Belmont.

A four month layoff where he has only one work before his comeback, and he beats Sunday Silence by a head.

Then another almost four month layoff, where he comes back to beat Mr. Nickerson by over 10 in a stakes at AQU. Then the wheels fell off.

Though, his derby race wasn't that bad, he was never the same after that race at AQU.
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Old 10-17-2009, 01:51 PM
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Really?

Are you taunting Byk on his post about banning you?

If I recall correctly... He broke his maiden in a 12 horse group, came to Saratoga and crushed an allowance group... Jerry rode him that day then took a helicopter to Monmouth to win the Haskell aboard Roman Ruler. He thought highly enough of him! Then he crushed Henny Hughes in the Hopeful. So IMO he had a lot going for him after those first 3 races then never panned out.
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Old 10-17-2009, 02:06 PM
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If I recall correctly... He broke his maiden in a 12 horse group, came to Saratoga and crushed an allowance group... Jerry rode him that day then took a helicopter to Monmouth to win the Haskell aboard Roman Ruler. He thought highly enough of him! Then he crushed Henny Hughes in the Hopeful. So IMO he had a lot going for him after those first 3 races then never panned out.
"Never panned out..." Hmmm. There's a precise evaluation. Do you know anything about his three year old year?
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"Never panned out..." Hmmm. There's a precise evaluation. Do you know anything about his three year old year?


Did I say the correct horse? Im talking about Frank Brothers.... He got beat in the Gulfstream race, his 3yr old debut, Keyed Entry beat him. Then he got put up by DQ, Corinthian shifted in bad on him in another Gulfstream race, then he ran like **** at Keeneland, that was the day Sinister Minister freaked.
If he was hurt or something no I did not know, but he was one of my favorites.
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Old 10-17-2009, 02:18 PM
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If he was hurt or something no I did not know, but he was one of my favorites.

Oh. Now we at least understand what happened to him.
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Old 10-17-2009, 02:38 PM
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Did I say the correct horse? Im talking about Frank Brothers.... He got beat in the Gulfstream race, his 3yr old debut, Keyed Entry beat him. Then he got put up by DQ, Corinthian shifted in bad on him in another Gulfstream race, then he ran like **** at Keeneland, that was the day Sinister Minister freaked.
If he was hurt or something no I did not know, but he was one of my favorites.
In his three year old debut, he dueled with Keyed Entry in the Hutcheson over a sea of slop and was beaten a length as they both broke the 7.5f track record, the winner lowering it to 1:27.0. In retrospect, Brothers agrees that he probably should have scratched that day. First Samurai was a big heavy horse that was tough to keep sound, and he pounded down to the hard Gulfstream base that day with every step.

Much like Read the Footnotes and Second of June after their epic Fountain of Youth 2 years earlier, First Samurai and Keyed Entry were both never the same after that Hutcheson... Samurai came back in the Fountain of Youth a month later and was put up as the winner after Corinthean's mauling of him. Then in the Blue Grass, he was hit by the gate which broke 2 of his ribs.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...th-broken-ribs

He was retired about 6 weeks later having won 5 of 8 career starts including the Fountain, Hopeful and Champagne, the 2nd in the Hutch and the 3rd behind Stevie Wonderboy/Henny Hughes in the BC Juvenile.
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:28 PM
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:30 AM
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I don't understand why an injury= failure on some of the ones mentioned. Pulpit was a monster who according to you "disappointed" in winning the Bluegrass before an injury ended his career in running 4th in the Derby behind Silver Charm.

Tell me again why Empire Maker disappointed. The foot issue likely cost him the Derby, but that race was between a double digit length win in the Florida Derby and a Belmont win. That's not a failure. Injuries cost him a chance to prove what he may have ultimately been capable of doing, but again it's not a failure.

Basically the list here is of great juveniles that didn't develop further or had careers interrupted by injuries....
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Old 10-18-2009, 12:27 PM
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:44 PM
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I don't understand why an injury= failure on some of the ones mentioned. Pulpit was a monster who according to you "disappointed" in winning the Bluegrass before an injury ended his career in running 4th in the Derby behind Silver Charm.

Tell me again why Empire Maker disappointed. The foot issue likely cost him the Derby, but that race was between a double digit length win in the Florida Derby and a Belmont win. That's not a failure. Injuries cost him a chance to prove what he may have ultimately been capable of doing, but again it's not a failure.

Basically the list here is of great juveniles that didn't develop further or had careers interrupted by injuries....
You are getting hung up on semantics here.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:37 AM
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I'll always remember Paulson being excited after his first big win, saying that he was all pumped up about having a son of his prize stallion, Strawberry Road, being able to stand stud.That's when he found out Dinard had been gelded already.
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