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Old 10-24-2009, 06:29 PM
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Grand Canyon as a 3yo.

Landaluce as a 3yo.

How the BC Distaff would have turned out had Go for Wand not broken down.

Lost Code in the 1987 and 1988 BC Classics.

King Glorious face Easy Goer and Sunday Silence.

The 1987 Travers on a fast track so when Java Gold kicked ass, there would have been no excuses.

Dinard, Event of the Year, and Dehere in their respective Derbies.

Arazi sent to the Derby with more than that one 8f grass prep.

Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, and Holy Bull complete their 4yo seasons.

Ghostzapper vs. Smarty Jones.

Candy Ride in the 2003 BC Classic.

Zenyatta face the boys.

Manila in the 1987 BC Turf
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:33 PM
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Secretariat run live.
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:42 PM
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Funny Cide vs Empire Maker, part 4 in the Travers 03, instead of the worst Travers ever run.

One more rematch between Certifiably Crazy and Dave...7 head to heads werent enough.

Kelly Kip period. He was sheer brilliance.
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:55 PM
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Grand Canyon as a 3yo.

Landaluce as a 3yo.

How the BC Distaff would have turned out had Go for Wand not broken down.

Lost Code in the 1987 and 1988 BC Classics.

King Glorious face Easy Goer and Sunday Silence.

The 1987 Travers on a fast track so when Java Gold kicked ass, there would have been no excuses.

Dinard, Event of the Year, and Dehere in their respective Derbies.

Arazi sent to the Derby with more than that one 8f grass prep.

Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, and Holy Bull complete their 4yo seasons.

Ghostzapper vs. Smarty Jones.

Candy Ride in the 2003 BC Classic.

Zenyatta face the boys.

Manila in the 1987 BC Turf
Mineshaft in the Classic.
Point Given in the Classic.
Bernardini mature a month earlier and run in the Derby.
Candy Ride just simply race more.
Barbaro not break down...I think Bernardini ran a 117 so I think he would have beat Barbaro, but that could have been some kind of rival.
Zenyatta vs Rachel in the Woodward, if the race was ran the same, Zenyatta would have beat her.
Commentator stay healthy.
Zenyatta vs The Boys
Rachel vs Icon Project at 1 1/4
Icon Project run in the JCGC
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Old 10-24-2009, 07:09 PM
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The great, great, great two year old Swear survive past his two year old season.
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Old 10-24-2009, 07:21 PM
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Red Ransom and Eastern Echo have careers.
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Old 10-24-2009, 07:46 PM
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danzig run more than three times.

the bid with a different jock in the belmont.

seattle slew NOT run in the swaps.
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Old 10-24-2009, 08:31 PM
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Grand Canyon as a 3yo.

2nd San Vicente and San Rafael to Mister Frisky
2nd Blue Grass to Summer Squall
1st Lexington
16th Kentucky Derby
5th King's Bishop to Housebuster
retired

Landaluce as a 3yo.

5th Hollywood Futurity to Roving Boy
1st Las Virgenes
1st Santa Susana
5th Santa Anita Derby
6th Test to Gold Beauty

Lost Code in the 1987 and 1988 BC Classics.

Would have allowed Cryptoclearance to run 3rd in consecutive years instead of Judge Angelucci and Waquoit.

King Glorious face Easy Goer and Sunday Silence.

King Glorious 3rd in a 3-horse field. By 10.

The 1987 Travers on a fast track so when Java Gold kicked ass, there would have been no excuses.

Other than every other starter in the race ran once every two weeks since February, including 2 if not 3 Classics.

Dinard, Event of the Year, and Dehere in their respective Derbies.

Dinard: Funny Cide still would have been the first gelding to win Derby since Clyde Van Dusen.

Event Of The Year: Would have been transfered to Dick Mandella a year sooner after skipping the Illinois Derby (won by the mighty Yarrow Brae) to be an also-ran at CD.

Dehere: Would have reversed form on Tabasco Cat, but not Brocco.

Arazi sent to the Derby with more than that one 8f grass prep.

8th after a brilliant mid-race move.

Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, and Holy Bull complete their 4yo seasons.

Easy Goer:

2nd Arlington Match Race w/ Sunday Silence
2nd Woodward to Dispersal
2nd Jockey Club Gold Cup to Flying Continental
2nd NYRA Mile to Quiet American
retired

Sunday Silence:

1st Arlington Match Race w/ Easy Goer
1st Goodwood
3rd BC Classic
retired

Holy Bull:

2nd Donn to Cigar
1st Westchester
1st Met Mile
1st Brooklyn
1st Iselin
1st Whitney
2nd Woodward by a nose
1st NYRA Mile
retired

Ghostzapper vs. Smarty Jones.

Smarty Jones last.

Candy Ride in the 2003 BC Classic.

2nd to Pleasantly Perfect.

Zenyatta face the boys.

Add one length to Life Is Sweet's Hollywood Gold Cup effort.
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Old 10-24-2009, 08:36 PM
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Grand Canyon as a 3yo.

2nd San Vicente and San Rafael to Mister Frisky
2nd Blue Grass to Summer Squall
1st Lexington
16th Kentucky Derby
5th King's Bishop to Housebuster
retired

Landaluce as a 3yo.

5th Hollywood Futurity to Roving Boy
1st Las Virgenes
1st Santa Susana
5th Santa Anita Derby
6th Test to Gold Beauty

Lost Code in the 1987 and 1988 BC Classics.

Would have allowed Cryptoclearance to run 3rd in consecutive years instead of Judge Angelucci and Waquoit.

King Glorious face Easy Goer and Sunday Silence.

King Glorious 3rd in a 3-horse field. By 10.

The 1987 Travers on a fast track so when Java Gold kicked ass, there would have been no excuses.

Other than every other starter in the race ran once every two weeks since February, including 2 if not 3 Classics.

Dinard, Event of the Year, and Dehere in their respective Derbies.

Dinard: Funny Cide still would have been the first gelding to win Derby since Clyde Van Dusen.

Event Of The Year: Would have been transfered to Dick Mandella a year sooner after skipping the Illinois Derby (won by the mighty Yarrow Brae) to be an also-ran at CD.

Dehere: Would have reversed form on Tabasco Cat, but not Brocco.

Arazi sent to the Derby with more than that one 8f grass prep.

8th after a brilliant mid-race move.

Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, and Holy Bull complete their 4yo seasons.

Easy Goer:

2nd Arlington Match Race w/ Sunday Silence
2nd Woodward to Dispersal
2nd Jockey Club Gold Cup to Flying Continental
2nd NYRA Mile to Quiet American
retired

Sunday Silence:

1st Arlington Match Race w/ Easy Goer
1st Goodwood
3rd BC Classic
retired

Holy Bull:

2nd Donn to Cigar
1st Westchester
1st Met Mile
1st Brooklyn
1st Iselin
1st Whitney
2nd Woodward by a nose
1st NYRA Mile
retired

Ghostzapper vs. Smarty Jones.

Smarty Jones last.

Candy Ride in the 2003 BC Classic.

2nd to Pleasantly Perfect.

Zenyatta face the boys.

Add one length to Life Is Sweet's Hollywood Gold Cup effort.
Would you please do that to my list.
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Old 10-24-2009, 08:37 PM
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Grand Canyon as a 3yo.

2nd San Vicente and San Rafael to Mister Frisky
2nd Blue Grass to Summer Squall
1st Lexington
16th Kentucky Derby
5th King's Bishop to Housebuster
retired

Landaluce as a 3yo.

5th Hollywood Futurity to Roving Boy
1st Las Virgenes
1st Santa Susana
5th Santa Anita Derby
6th Test to Gold Beauty

Lost Code in the 1987 and 1988 BC Classics.

Would have allowed Cryptoclearance to run 3rd in consecutive years instead of Judge Angelucci and Waquoit.

King Glorious face Easy Goer and Sunday Silence.

King Glorious 3rd in a 3-horse field. By 10.

The 1987 Travers on a fast track so when Java Gold kicked ass, there would have been no excuses.

Other than every other starter in the race ran once every two weeks since February, including 2 if not 3 Classics.

Dinard, Event of the Year, and Dehere in their respective Derbies.

Dinard: Funny Cide still would have been the first gelding to win Derby since Clyde Van Dusen.

Event Of The Year: Would have been transfered to Dick Mandella a year sooner after skipping the Illinois Derby (won by the mighty Yarrow Brae) to be an also-ran at CD.

Dehere: Would have reversed form on Tabasco Cat, but not Brocco.

Arazi sent to the Derby with more than that one 8f grass prep.

8th after a brilliant mid-race move.

Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, and Holy Bull complete their 4yo seasons.

Easy Goer:

2nd Arlington Match Race w/ Sunday Silence
2nd Woodward to Dispersal
2nd Jockey Club Gold Cup to Flying Continental
2nd NYRA Mile to Quiet American
retired

Sunday Silence:

1st Arlington Match Race w/ Easy Goer
1st Goodwood
3rd BC Classic
retired

Holy Bull:

2nd Donn to Cigar
1st Westchester
1st Met Mile
1st Brooklyn
1st Iselin
1st Whitney
2nd Woodward by a nose
1st NYRA Mile
retired

Ghostzapper vs. Smarty Jones.

Smarty Jones last.

Candy Ride in the 2003 BC Classic.

2nd to Pleasantly Perfect.

Zenyatta face the boys.

Add one length to Life Is Sweet's Hollywood Gold Cup effort.
Or.........NONE of the above.
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Secretariat run live.
Agreed!
i'd like to have seen Afleet Alex live too.
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Old 10-24-2009, 08:57 PM
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Agreed with you guys about Big Red, but I just got finished reading Ruffian and never realized how special she was. I wish I could have seen her race too.
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danzig run more than three times.

the bid with a different jock in the belmont.

seattle slew NOT run in the swaps.
Greatest avatar of all time, or at least the past 17 years
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:14 PM
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Grand Canyon as a 3yo.
Isn't it amazing that a horse like that can run a 120 Beyer as a 2yo in the Hollywood Futurity and obliterate 2nd place finisher Farma Way.

And also at Hollywood Park - Favorite Trick gets voted Horse of the Year after obliterating a terrible Canadian horse and a lifelong maiden with a 101 in a year when the handicap division was at its deepest and the 2yo division was markedly below par.

People wonder why I thump hardcore with speed figures when I talk about evaluating top horses from different time periods ... and yet the same speed figures are down quite a ways on factors that determine whom I bet ... look no further than Favorite Trick.
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:15 PM
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Mineshaft in the Classic.

Dead heat with Candy Ride for 2nd.

Point Given in the Classic.

Dead heat with Include for 7th.

Bernardini mature a month earlier and run in the Derby.

8th after brilliant mid-race move.

Candy Ride just simply race more.

2nd BC Classic (deadheated w/ Mineshaft)
1st San Pasqual
1st San Antonio
1st Santa Anita Handicap
1st Shoemaker Mile
1st Hollywood Gold Cup
1st Pacific Classic
3rd Woodward
1st Jockey Club Gold Cup
2nd BC Classic

Barbaro not break down...I think Bernardini ran a 117 so I think he would have beat Barbaro, but that could have been some kind of rival.

Scratched at the gate after breaking through. Off 6 months.

2007:
1st Canadian Turf
3rd Maker's Mark
1st Woodford Reserve
3rd Manhattan
1st Iselin
2nd Woodward
3rd Jockey Club Gold Cup
5th BC Classic
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Zenyatta vs Rachel in the Woodward, if the race was ran the same, Zenyatta would have beat her.

Sea The Stars by 5.

Commentator stay healthy.

unplaced in 4 straight BC appearances (2 Sprints, 2 Classics).

Icon Project run in the JCGC

Eased. Vanned off. Bowed tendon.
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:19 PM
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Greatest avatar of all time, or at least the past 17 years

thanks!
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Bernardini mature a month earlier and run in the Derby.

8th after brilliant mid-race move.

I don't know man .... that was a mind-bogglingly bad field.

Steppenwolfer ran 3rd and the 2nd place finisher was coming off of a 20+ length drubbing at the hands of Sinister Minister - albeit against a biased track.


Bernardini was too much of a finisher to flatten out against that.
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:27 PM
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I don't know man .... that was a mind-bogglingly bad field.

Steppenwolfer ran 3rd and the 2nd place finisher was coming off of a 20+ length drubbing at the hands of Sinister Minister - albeit against a biased track.


Bernardini was too much of a finisher to flatten out against that.
There were too many variables. I presumed he still only had his existing race record (minus the Withers), which put him at a huge disadvantage in terms seasoning.

I suppose if he "matured" earlier, he would have run in at least one significant Derby prep. In that regard, he could have won the Lexington. That would have been enough to get second.

Nonetheless, you love to knock Bluegrass Cat (I don't really blame you) as part of that weak field, but didn't he run a couple decent numbers later on?
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:35 PM
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Grand Canyon as a 3yo.

Landaluce as a 3yo.

How the BC Distaff would have turned out had Go for Wand not broken down.

Lost Code in the 1987 and 1988 BC Classics.

King Glorious face Easy Goer and Sunday Silence.

The 1987 Travers on a fast track so when Java Gold kicked ass, there would have been no excuses.

Dinard, Event of the Year, and Dehere in their respective Derbies.

Arazi sent to the Derby with more than that one 8f grass prep.

Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, and Holy Bull complete their 4yo seasons.

Ghostzapper vs. Smarty Jones.

Candy Ride in the 2003 BC Classic.

Zenyatta face the boys.

Manila in the 1987 BC Turf
Obvious choice, I wish I was at Belmont in 73 to watch Secretariat run.

My not so obvious choice Makybe Diva's third straight Melbourne Cup in 05.
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:42 PM
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I wish Barbaro would have completed his 3 year old campaign.
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