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Old 02-21-2008, 02:52 PM
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Default 2/24 (GP): Fountain of Youth (Gr. II)

9th (5:15) Fountain of Youth S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $350,000

1 Cool Coal Man Desormeaux K J 118 L
2 Golden Spikes Castellano J J 116 L
3 Court Vision Gomez G K 122 L
4 Kentucky Bear Trujillo E 116 L
5 Z Humor Velasquez C 120 L
6 Ready Set Lezcano J 116 L
7 Monba Prado E S 116 L
8 Anak Nakal Leparoux J R 120 L
9 Elysium Fields Coa E M 116 L
10 Halo Najib Douglas R R 120 L
11 Make the Point Velazquez J R 116 L
12 Adriano Castro E 116 L
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:15 PM
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I'm a little surprised by some of the Jockey assignments.
Prado on Monba?
Surprising JV or Gomez isn't riding what could be Pletcher's best hope for a Derby contender.
And I thought Leporoux was on Court Vision?
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:42 PM
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Elysium Fields for me. I think it's his coming out party.
I'm been high on him as well. An inside post would've been nice.
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:15 PM
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Elysium Fields for me. I think it's his coming out party.

He does look like a contender. Always in the hunt. Right now, I am very interested in Make The Point. McLaughlin is the man when it comes to stretch outs and 2nd off. Will I get a price??
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:35 PM
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Monba for me here.
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:25 PM
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kentucky bear./e fields /momba tri
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:51 PM
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Personally I think this is a really good betting race. It seems like you could go a lot of different ways with this one, but I think Zito's chances here are very good.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:40 PM
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Coa has ridden Anak and Court Vision and now on E. Fields.
I find this interesting. I have no idea about arrangements
and trainers likes and dislikes with Jockey's "fitting" certain
horses. Is it that Coa made this choice and will it be as
bad as Calvin's decision to take Turf war getting off the
winner...?
I dont often trust the Jockey's decisions if they are given
that privilege.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:14 AM
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What has Court Vision done wrong thus far? The only thing I can see is Mott entered him in a slow paced Remsen and the jock managed to get him bottled up until the 1/8 pole. He ran a much better race than the 76 BSF said he did.

Since this is his first race back he could be a little short. Plus his running style might not be right for the Gulstream Park track. There seems to be enough speed horses in the field to run a legitimate pace. If the track is fair he might be able a serious player. He'll be on my multis and if he's 4-1 or higher I'll place a win bet on him.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:21 AM
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What has Court Vision done wrong thus far? The only thing I can see is Mott entered him in a slow paced Remsen and the jock managed to get him bottled up until the 1/8 pole. He ran a much better race than the 76 BSF said he did.

Since this is his first race back he could be a little short. Plus his running style might not be right for the Gulstream Park track. There seems to be enough speed horses in the field to run a legitimate pace. If the track is fair he might be able a serious player. He'll be on my multis and if he's 4-1 or higher I'll place a win bet on him.
That's for sure. I count six horses that should be on or near the lead, and Pletcher appears to be putting some speed into Monba as well. I think the race sets up well for a horse like Court Vision, provided he doesn't drop too far out of it. Then again, I could see half the field winning this race.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:38 AM
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The tricky thing about this race in terms of wagering is this race is only a prep race for Court Vision. Winning the race might not be the goal for the connections.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:41 AM
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The tricky thing about this race in terms of wagering is this race is only a prep race for Court Vision. Winning the race might not be the goal for the connections.
And this is what I don't get... why wouldn't the connections want their goal to be a win for their horse in a prep? Is it some sort of jinx to have your horse actually WIN the race that it's entered into? Another thing too is that this race is a prep for most of them entered, not just Court Vision...
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Old 02-22-2008, 07:04 AM
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And this is what I don't get... why wouldn't the connections want their goal to be a win for their horse in a prep? Is it some sort of jinx to have your horse actually WIN the race that it's entered into? Another thing too is that this race is a prep for most of them entered, not just Court Vision...
excellent point!

premeditated excuse perhaps???
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:37 AM
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why wouldn't the connections want their goal to be a win for their horse in a prep? Is it some sort of jinx .
maybe to build a foundation for a race that has a longer distance, is more prestigious, and has bigger purse - but thats too obvious
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Old 02-22-2008, 09:43 AM
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maybe to build a foundation for a race that has a longer distance, is more prestigious, and has bigger purse - but thats too obvious
So, are you saying that the winner of the prep race doesn't gain that same foundation?
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:03 AM
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So, are you saying that the winner of the prep race doesn't gain that same foundation?
The winner may need the graded earnings to get in so may be cranked up to peak for this effort to assure they get the earnings. Court Vision already has the earnings so they can take it easier with him and work towards a peak performance on Derby Day. Personally I think Court Vision will lose because he's too slow, not because he isn't cranked up but the more excuses I can give for the horse the more likely people are to continue burning money on him this year.
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:48 AM
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The winner may need the graded earnings to get in so may be cranked up to peak for this effort to assure they get the earnings. Court Vision already has the earnings so they can take it easier with him and work towards a peak performance on Derby Day. Personally I think Court Vision will lose because he's too slow, not because he isn't cranked up but the more excuses I can give for the horse the more likely people are to continue burning money on him this year.


That will be me, probably. LOL
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:52 AM
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if adriano at all takes to dirt, and he's bred much better for dirt racing than turf racing, this race is over.

his 2nd dam was the very nice theatrical mare golden treat, who couldnt run a step on turf, but did manage to set a track record for 4.5 furlongs on dirt and later won the santa anita oaks. golden treat herself is also a half sister to the greatly under appreciated bet twice.

his last race was spectacular, so either he just really loved the gp turf, or he has matured and developed.

my only question is why were they running this horse on turf in the first place?
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:53 AM
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my only question is why were they running this horse on turf in the first place?

The usual reason.....he sucks on the dirt.
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:56 AM
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based on what BTW?

he debuted on turf as a pretty early season 2yo. and if he sucks on dirt, why the placement of him here, instead of aiming him for all the turf races and a likely turf eclipse award?

those ap indy - mr p mare crosses sure seem okay on dirt to me, and this horse has no turf breeding in him at all.

it seems pretty far fetched to say he sucks on dirt at this point.
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