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Old 03-12-2019, 04:32 PM
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I read somewhere that horses with the same trainer will not be placed in the same race. Isn't this a huge advantage? Are there any other factors that will be taken into consideration before the races are drawn, or is it random?
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:22 PM
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I read somewhere that horses with the same trainer will not be placed in the same race. Isn't this a huge advantage? Are there any other factors that will be taken into consideration before the races are drawn, or is it random?
I look at it this way - yes, it’s an advantage to the guys with multiple horses...but it also probably helps everyone. Game Winner and Improbable are both very highly regarded. How would you like to run in one of the races against both of them?
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Old 03-13-2019, 11:27 AM
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Split. The Rebel will be split this weekend. Hopefully a rebel double will be offered
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:03 PM
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8th: REBEL

1. Extra Hope (Mandella/Smith)
2. Long Range Toddy (Asmussen/Court)
3. Corruze (Hartman/Elliott)
4. Easy Shot (Desormeaux/Eramia)
5. Proud Nation (Sharp/Cabrera)
6. Ninth Street (Asmussen/Santana)
7. Classy John (Stewart/Cohen)
8. Galilean (Hollendorfer/Prat
9. Improbable (Baffert/Van Dyke)


10th: REBEL

1. Market King (Lukas/Velazquez)
2. Laughing Fox (Asmussen/Santana)
3. Parsimony (O'Neill/Gutierrez)
4. Jersey Agenda (Asmussen/Ortiz)
5. Game Winner (Baffert/Rosario)
6. Omaha Beach (Mandella/Smith)
7. Our Braintrust (Casse/Cohen)
8. Gunmetal Gray (Hollendorfer/Prat)
9. Kaziranga (Asmussen/Eramia)
10. Captain Von Trappe (Asmussen/Vazquez)
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:48 PM
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:39 PM
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:38 AM
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Really looking forward to the Rebel, Essex, Rebel pick 3. RRS looks loaded for bear.
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:12 PM
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Sure we don't need to keep the entries open a bit longer? Asmussen may find another 3 year old somewhere.
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Old 03-15-2019, 09:23 AM
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So it turns out they screwed up the draw after all. I was wondering why 4 Asmussen horses were in the same race. 6 divided by 2 must be advanced math.
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So it turns out they screwed up the draw after all. I was wondering why 4 Asmussen horses were in the same race. 6 divided by 2 must be advanced math.
To quote Jay Privman minutes ago, apparently in the OP racing office 6 divided by 2 = 4 + 2
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Old 03-15-2019, 09:43 AM
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I think they subtracted instead of divided. The nuns were good at math. They always won at the track unlike the priests who had to have a second collection when they were losing
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:25 AM
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Just realizing that Pletcher doesn’t have any horses running in the Rebel.

Is he going to have a horse in the Derby this year? He’s got Spinoff going in the LA Derby but WOW and Country House could prove tough. Intrepid Heart hasn’t published a work since early February and I haven’t heard where he’s headed. Outshine is headed for the Wood Memorial but that field could be stacked depending on who else goes there.
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:40 AM
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Just realizing that Pletcher doesn’t have any horses running in the Rebel.

Is he going to have a horse in the Derby this year? He’s got Spinoff going in the LA Derby but WOW and Country House could prove tough. Intrepid Heart hasn’t published a work since early February and I haven’t heard where he’s headed. Outshine is headed for the Wood Memorial but that field could be stacked depending on who else goes there.
Last Judgment in the ALW 4th was the possible Pletcher for the Rebel. Excellent group there with Dessman & Comedian.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:13 PM
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Last Judgment in the ALW 4th was the possible Pletcher for the Rebel. Excellent group there with Dessman & Comedian.
That really is a nice group. In addition to Last Judgment, Dessman, and Comedian, the #6 All Bizness might be better than expected. Looks like he might like the added distance. His 1.5 length loss last time out came against Oncewewerebrothers, who has handled some pretty solid competition himself.

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Old 03-15-2019, 02:01 PM
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I just have a hypothetical question that I haven't seen answered here or on Twitter.. What's to stop a track from splitting races willy nilly? You could create a lot of graded stakes winners that way.

I'm not complaining or saying that's what happened here, just wondering. Could they run two 5-horse Grade 1 Florida Derby's?
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:18 PM
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I just have a hypothetical question that I haven't seen answered here or on Twitter.. What's to stop a track from splitting races willy nilly? You could create a lot of graded stakes winners that way.

I'm not complaining or saying that's what happened here, just wondering. Could they run two 5-horse Grade 1 Florida Derby's?
A race splits when reaching a reasonable minimum for running a 2nd division. But it's the purses that would prevent tracks from running divisions with a small number.

To be eligible for grading, G3's must be $100,000, G2's $200,000 and G1's $300,000. The wagering would never offset the added purse expense, even if the horsemen at the track in question agreed to let the track use money from the purse account to run a 2nd division.

The Oaklawn horsemen agreed because they were in line for a purse increase anyway which was announced the other day, making it easier to OK moving $500k from their account to the 2nd Rebel.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:58 PM
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A race splits when reaching a reasonable minimum for running a 2nd division. But it's the purses that would prevent tracks from running divisions with a small number.

To be eligible for grading, G3's must be $100,000, G2's $200,000 and G1's $300,000. The wagering would never offset the added purse expense, even if the horsemen at the track in question agreed to let the track use money from the purse account to run a 2nd division.

The Oaklawn horsemen agreed because they were in line for a purse increase anyway which was announced the other day, making it easier to OK moving $500k from their account to the 2nd Rebel.
That makes perfect sense, thank you.

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Really looking forward to the Rebel, Essex, Rebel pick 3. RRS looks loaded for bear.
As Rock says BOOM!!
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lets hope Assmussen gets three in a row
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Old 03-16-2019, 05:53 PM
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oh man that would be nice. Even Game winner works at this point.
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