Miami Heat

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Better than AI or drexler? I don't think so.

Dwayne Wade is better than Clyde Drexler by virtually every possible measurement. It really isnt that close.

Iverson is such a different type of player as he later in his career was more of a shoot first PG. The issue with Iverson versus Wade is that Iverson took so many bad shots, took way too many 3 point shots despite rarely making much above 30% of them and gambled all the time on defense which helped get him a lot of steals but also left him out of position plus he was really too small to guard other SG's which of course has to be a big mark against him.

In virtually any scenario where you are starting a team and choosing a SG other than Jordan, Kobe or West I can't think of anyone who wouldn't take an in his prime Wade over an in his prime Iverson. He is just a better player than Iverson.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dwayne Wade is better than Clyde Drexler by virtually every possible measurement. It really isnt that close.

Iverson is such a different type of player as he later in his career was more of a shoot first PG. The issue with Iverson versus Wade is that Iverson took so many bad shots, took way too many 3 point shots despite rarely making much above 30% of them and gambled all the time on defense which helped get him a lot of steals but also left him out of position plus he was really too small to guard other SG's which of course has to be a big mark against him.

In virtually any scenario where you are starting a team and choosing a SG other than Jordan, Kobe or West I can't think of anyone who wouldn't take an in his prime Wade over an in his prime Iverson. He is just a better player than Iverson.

You are saying then that the 2001 Sixers get to the finals with Dwayne Wade...at any point in his career? The only times where wade was the focal point of the offense, the heat never made it past the second round and a few years they didn't make it out of the first round.

AI lead the league in scoring four times and won a league MVP award. Can Wade make either claim?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are saying then that the 2001 Sixers get to the finals with Dwayne Wade...at any point in his career? The only times where wade was the focal point of the offense, the heat never made it past the second round and a few years they didn't make it out of the first round.

AI lead the league in scoring four times and won a league MVP award. Can Wade make either claim?

If you suffering from early onset of Alzheimers and 2006 has been erased from your memory I will give you a pass. If not you are more or less using Skip Bayless tactics.

I guess averaging 28-6-6 and being named Finals MVP on the winning team no longer impresses you?

You think AI being an unrepentant gunner makes him a better player than Wade because he led the league in scoring? AI also led the league in missed shots virtually every year he played. Iverson only led the league in scoring because he took WAY more shots than everyone else, not because he was more efficient that everyone else. Ever take a look at his shooting percentages? What about the year he went 11-27 for the season? What about taking 4.5 3 point shots a game despite hitting less than 30%?
Wade's worst season FG% is far better than any of Iverson's best. Wade led the league in scoring in 08-09 averaging 30.4 while shooting 49%.


Using advanced stats the gap is even larger. Wade has 99.5 Win Shares (similar to WAR in baseball)for his career in 662 games. Iverson has 99 in 914 games. That is a HUGE difference. Basically Wade has already surpassed Iversons career and probably still has at least 3 or 4 seasons left. Going by PER a measure of per minute production, Wade for his career has an avg score of 25.6. Iverson's number is 20.9. A significant difference.


You compare the players to each other and Wade is the better SG. He can obviously play off of a dominant ball handler and also be the dominant ball handler. AI, no way can he play off the ball. Wade is a more complete player, more efficient player and far more well rounded player.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you suffering from early onset of Alzheimers and 2006 has been erased from your memory I will give you a pass. If not you are more or less using Skip Bayless tactics.

I guess averaging 28-6-6 and being named Finals MVP on the winning team no longer impresses you?

You think AI being an unrepentant gunner makes him a better player than Wade because he led the league in scoring? AI also led the league in missed shots virtually every year he played. Iverson only led the league in scoring because he took WAY more shots than everyone else, not because he was more efficient that everyone else. Ever take a look at his shooting percentages? What about the year he went 11-27 for the season? What about taking 4.5 3 point shots a game despite hitting less than 30%?
Wade's worst season FG% is far better than any of Iverson's best. Wade led the league in scoring in 08-09 averaging 30.4 while shooting 49%.


Using advanced stats the gap is even larger. Wade has 99.5 Win Shares (similar to WAR in baseball)for his career in 662 games. Iverson has 99 in 914 games. That is a HUGE difference. Basically Wade has already surpassed Iversons career and probably still has at least 3 or 4 seasons left. Going by PER a measure of per minute production, Wade for his career has an avg score of 25.6. Iverson's number is 20.9. A significant difference.


You compare the players to each other and Wade is the better SG. He can obviously play off of a dominant ball handler and also be the dominant ball handler. AI, no way can he play off the ball. Wade is a more complete player, more efficient player and far more well rounded player.

Interesting. What is drexlers win shares?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you suffering from early onset of Alzheimers and 2006 has been erased from your memory I will give you a pass. If not you are more or less using Skip Bayless tactics.

I guess averaging 28-6-6 and being named Finals MVP on the winning team no longer impresses you?

You think AI being an unrepentant gunner makes him a better player than Wade because he led the league in scoring? AI also led the league in missed shots virtually every year he played. Iverson only led the league in scoring because he took WAY more shots than everyone else, not because he was more efficient that everyone else. Ever take a look at his shooting percentages? What about the year he went 11-27 for the season? What about taking 4.5 3 point shots a game despite hitting less than 30%?
Wade's worst season FG% is far better than any of Iverson's best. Wade led the league in scoring in 08-09 averaging 30.4 while shooting 49%.


Using advanced stats the gap is even larger. Wade has 99.5 Win Shares (similar to WAR in baseball)for his career in 662 games. Iverson has 99 in 914 games. That is a HUGE difference. Basically Wade has already surpassed Iversons career and probably still has at least 3 or 4 seasons left. Going by PER a measure of per minute production, Wade for his career has an avg score of 25.6. Iverson's number is 20.9. A significant difference.


You compare the players to each other and Wade is the better SG. He can obviously play off of a dominant ball handler and also be the dominant ball handler. AI, no way can he play off the ball. Wade is a more complete player, more efficient player and far more well rounded player.

Plus Wade is one of the most unselfish players in the history of the NBA. He was/is a god in Miami. Lebron comes down and he takes the back seat to him. I think it says a lot about Wades character. Its been Lebrons team since the day he signed. But Wade is still in his prime and Im sure could average 26-29 points a game now, and for the next 3-4 years.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Interesting. What is drexlers win shares?

135 in 1086 games. PER 21.1

MJ 214 in 1072 PER 27.9
Kobe 172 in 1233 PER 23.4
West 162 in 932 PER 22.9
Wade 99.5 in 662 PER 25.6
R. Miller 174 in 1389 PER 18.4
R. Allen 140 in 1219 PER 18.8
Gervin 116 in 1060 PER 21.4
Earl Monroe 77.4 in 926 PER 17.2


Trevor Ariza 26 in 551 PER 13.7
Delonte West 24.5 in 432 PER 13.9


Gerorge Gervin led the league in scoring 4 times and his FG% those 4 years was .536, .541, .528, and .500. He had 2 different years where he made zero 3 point shots which is a bit bizarre considering he was leading the league in scoring one of the years. He only took more than 100 3pters in 1 season.

MJ 5 times led the league in scoring while shooting higher than .500 from the field.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Schenn and Timonen have played well but the rest of the defense is awful. Bryz doesn't come up with the big save often enough and lets in to many bad goals. I'm sorry to say they will not make the playoffs this year. They are going to buy out Bryz this summer and the search for a goalie continues. I would like to see them trade for the Kings Bernier.

They didn't get Bernier but they got rid of Bryz!