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Fixate on a horse that can't beat you and ask your horse so you can put the other horse away as early as possible Or Realize that you can get that one any time you want and that doing it too early allows other horses into the race and your horse might not have anything left. Pat Day understood this. JV does as well. Espinosa doesn't. Last edited by Kasept : 09-01-2015 at 07:16 AM. |
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On form, American Pharoah is a couple of lengths better than Frosted. That doesn't mean he's able to fool with the horse at his leisure. The way this race shook out was little different than the 1998 Jockey Club Gold Cup (HOY Skip Away softens up Arg champ Gentlemen), the 2004 Personal Ensign (MGSW Roar Emotion softens up HOY Azeri), or the 2010 Personal Ensign (MG1W Life At Ten softens up HOY Rachel Alexandra). |
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Mr Zayat let his disappointment and emotions do the talking. I'm sure he was saddened by the outcome. Now they have a clearer head to rest him for a couple weeks and train up to the Classic sound perfect. I also hope they get him there a week ahead of time, two I'd prefer. I never like this shipping on Wed and running on Sat especially on a plane from that distance.
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Doug posted years ago about horses dueling in discussing one of Rachel Alexandra's losses, and I remember he said even if the pace doesn't seem fast, a duel takes a lot out of a horse, just from the nature of how horses interact. AP may have been tired going into the race, or Lezcano's ride on Frosted may have thrown AP out of his comfort zone and that might have taken the starch out of him. Either way, between this and Kentucky Derby being his hardest races, I think it shows that under the right conditions, he's vulnerable at 1&1/4, and that makes for a more interesting BCC. You're right; it'll be fun if he runs in it.
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Per Harvey Pack " it's the graveyard of bad handicappers"
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I had the privilege of being there on Saturday....in my opinion the 2nd best racing day of there next to Breeder's Cup Saturday. Here are the four things I take away from the race:
1. What should Lezcano have done? If he lets AP go on his own the race is all over. Lezcano rode a race to win...not to soften up AP for someone else. 2. Once they flashed the 1/2 mile time I thought the race was over. I am still shocked that AP came up empty with those fractions. 3. Whoever decided to run AP at the Travers made a huge mistake. That is simply one too many races leading up to the Classic. 4. Did anyone else hear the crowd booing Keen Ice for winning? I have to say I felt a little bit sick to my stomach, maybe it was just the people around me....but that horse deserves a ton of credit not only for winning the Travers, but also for what he has accomplished this year. The connections have never dodged AP and seemed to have always showed up where AP went. |
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I think Lezcano clearly rode to win the race. I saw nothing wrong with his ride. |
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I disagree with this. Blame the draw. I think if you reverse AP and Frosted's post positions AP wins and Frosted finishes like 5th. I think CJ also mentioned this.
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Not sure I understand this. Are you saying the 2 post would have compromised Frosted's ability to get near the lead? Cause you have to think that Victor was going to the lead no matter what post he was breaking from.
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Right there! That's the argument I've been having with him. People have been trying to elevate Pharoah to great and hall of fame status because of his accomplishments while not taking a closer look at his actual ability. The fact is, he is not a normal horse so I don't think we should settle for him doing what is considered normal. To whom much is given, much is required.
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I think he would have sat just off Frosted and won. He is never rank, he never really pulls. I think the inside forced his hand a little.
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Pharaoh broke well, went to the lead and settled. He got pressed by a multiple stake winning horse and victor asked his horse to keep up and then asked him for all he had in the stretch. The dynamics of the race are beyond his control. It's not like he had a five length lead on the far turn and started scrubbing with no one around him. Maybe it was the pace, maybe it was the ships and maybe it was the track. Maybe it was just the way the race shaped up. But it wasn't the jock. |
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