The Mets should sign Barry Bonds

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What about the year George decided to go with speed and signed Dave Collins?

Butch Wynegar worked out well in N.Y.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

COLORADO last year is a perfect example. That team was all about a good clubhouse atmosphere with slighty above average talent

Young teams will occassionally go on a good run, especially when playing in a league with no good teams. Has nothing to do with the character of the players on the team, just with how they were playing. When it came down to it though they got beat up on by the Red Sox with Manny Ramirez who has always been considered a clubhouse cancer yet has never actually adversely impacted his team.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Young teams will occassionally go on a good run, especially when playing in a league with no good teams. Has nothing to do with the character of the players on the team, just with how they were playing. When it came down to it though they got beat up on by the Red Sox with Manny Ramirez who has always been considered a clubhouse cancer yet has never actually adversely impacted his team.

I think the whole Red Sox clubhouse loves Manny. The media plays that up because he is a dick to them.

How can't you love someone with the most hilarious hair in baseball, and is probably the biggest smart ass with a bat, ever.....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

They had some usual teams from 1982 thru 1993.....in the mid to late 80's a lot of end-of-career Hall of Famers

They look a lot like that right now. Arod or Jeter gets hurt, the old guys continue to regress, one of the young pitchers doesnt make the season (which is almost a certainty)...and you are looking at third place. They will be in a better spot next year when the young pitchers have another year under their belts, I believe Giambi, Damon, Petitte and Mussina's contracts are up (maybe Matsui too) which should give them lots of capital to work with. They will need to find a left fielder, 1st baseman, catcher and some established starters and a set up guy. It is simply unreasonable to protect the young guys arms then have them throw 200 innings this year. They need bounce back years from older, regressing players which is not likely, Posada is almost a guarantee to bounce from a career year, Arod will be hard pressed to repeat his year, Melky has to improve and the bullpen has to keep from imploding. And thats without even mentioning that Rivera was not nearly as dominant last year as he had been.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

They had some usual teams from 1982 thru 1992.....in the mid to late 80's a lot of end-of-career Hall of Famers

1992 New York Yankees American League 76 86 .469 20.0
1991 New York Yankees American League 71 91 .438 20.0
1990 New York Yankees American League 67 95 .414 21.0
1989 New York Yankees American League 74 87 .460 14.5
1988 New York Yankees American League 85 76 .528 3.5
1987 New York Yankees American League 89 73 .549 9.0
1986 New York Yankees American League 90 72 .556 5.5
1985 New York Yankees American League 97 64 .602 2.0
1984 New York Yankees American League 87 75 .537 17.0
1983 New York Yankees American League 91 71 .562 7.0
1982 New York Yankees American League 79 83 .488 16.0

Actually, not as bad as I thought...expect that four year run into the 90's

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

COLORADO last year is a perfect example. That team was all about a good clubhouse atmosphere with slighty above average talent

And extreme luck. By the way they have better than slightly above average talent. Holiday is the best offensive outfielder in the game, Hawpe is a good player, Atkins is a top 5 or 6 3rd baseman, helton is still a very good player at first, Tulowitski is a very good SS, maybe one of the top 5 already...

Just because you never heard of them before the playoffs does not mean they are no good.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Butch Wynegar worked out well in N.Y.

He didnt work out that well in MN

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They look a lot like that right now. Arod or Jeter gets hurt, the old guys continue to regress, one of the young pitchers doesnt make the season (which is almost a certainty)...and you are looking at third place. They will be in a better spot next year when the young pitchers have another year under their belts, I believe Giambi, Damon, Petitte and Mussina's contracts are up (maybe Matsui too) which should give them lots of capital to work with. They will need to find a left fielder, 1st baseman, catcher and some established starters and a set up guy. It is simply unreasonable to protect the young guys arms then have them throw 200 innings this year. They need bounce back years from older, regressing players which is not likely, Posada is almost a guarantee to bounce from a career year, Arod will be hard pressed to repeat his year, Melky has to improve and the bullpen has to keep from imploding. And thats without even mentioning that Rivera was not nearly as dominant last year as he had been.

With that said....who is better at this point, the Mets or Yankees?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He didnt work out that well in MN

He was better there, than here.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

I think the whole Red Sox clubhouse loves Manny. The media plays that up because he is a dick to them.

How can't you love someone with the most hilarious hair in baseball, and is probably the biggest smart ass with a bat, ever.....

Funny how the clubhouse is happy when winning and a mess when they are not. The key is that the happiness comes from the winning, not vice versa

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Scav

I think the whole Red Sox clubhouse loves Manny. The media plays that up because he is a dick to them.

How can't you love someone with the most hilarious hair in baseball, and is probably the biggest smart ass with a bat, ever.....

And he puts up the numbers

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

With that said....who is better at this point, the Mets or Yankees?

Mets because they play in the NL. With Bonds, Mets hands down.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And extreme luck. By the way they have better than slightly above average talent. Holiday is the best offensive outfielder in the game, Hawpe is a good player, Atkins is a top 5 or 6 3rd baseman, helton is still a very good player at first, Tulowitski is a very good SS, maybe one of the top 5 already...

Just because you never heard of them before the playoffs does not mean they are no good.

EASY with Tulowitski, ONE YEAR....The only guy I didn't know about was Hawpe....I have been a Helton fan for a while and Holiday always gets my attention because he is so bald already.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

EASY with Tulowitski, ONE YEAR....The only guy I didn't know about was Hawpe....I have been a Helton fan for a while and Holiday always gets my attention because he is so bald already.

You could make the argument of Carlos Guillen over Tulowitzki but at worst he's the sixth best SS in baseball at this point and certainly has more room to improve than Guillen.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You could make the argument of Carlos Guillen over Tulowitzki but at worst he's the sixth best SS in baseball at this point and certainly has more room to improve than Guillen.

YOU GUYS ARE OUT OF YOUR MINDS....he had ONE YEAR. If he backs it up this year THEN he is good.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

EASY with Tulowitski, ONE YEAR....The only guy I didn't know about was Hawpe....I have been a Helton fan for a while and Holiday always gets my attention because he is so bald already.

And he is already the 4rd best SS in the NL behind Rollins and Reyes and Ramirez

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You could make the argument of Carlos Guillen over Tulowitzki but at worst he's the sixth best SS in baseball at this point and certainly has more room to improve than Guillen.

gullien is a 1st baseman now

[SniperSB23]

And if you factor in defense Tulowitzki moves up ever further. Here are their range factors last year:

Tulowitzki - 5.33
Rollins - 4.36
Ramirez - 4.09
Reyes - 4.05
Guillen - 3.88
Jeter - 3.80

He utterly dominates the others when it comes to defense.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

YOU GUYS ARE OUT OF YOUR MINDS....he had ONE YEAR. If he backs it up this year THEN he is good.

He was tremendous last year. He aint Angel Berroa

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

YOU GUYS ARE OUT OF YOUR MINDS....he had ONE YEAR. If he backs it up this year THEN he is good.

What makes you think he wouldn't? If nothing else his defense alone puts him in the top tier.