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Old 08-16-2017, 06:19 AM
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Default 8/19 (DMR): Pacific Classic, DMR Oaks (G1's), DMR Handicap (G2)

1 ROYAL ALBERT HALL-GB (Corey Nakatani) 30-1
2 COLLECTED (Martin Garcia) 5/2
3 ACCELERATE (Victor Espinoza) 3-1
4 SORRY ERIK (Kent Desormeaux) 30-1
5 HARD ACES (Santiago Gonzalez) 20-1
6 DONWORTH (Mario Gutierrez) 15-1
7 CURLIN ROAD (Flavien Prat) 20-1
8 ARROGATE (Mike Smith) 1-1



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Old 08-16-2017, 10:59 AM
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Has there ever been a horse with his talent, who really had no excuse, run as poorly as he did and then rebound?
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Old 08-16-2017, 11:36 AM
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Has there ever been a horse with his talent, who really had no excuse, run as poorly as he did and then rebound?
Not without at least a brief layoff in between. However, was there really no excuse?

It's an interesting quandary for the connections. It's an easy and perhaps plausible excuse that the horse detested the surface. This is supported by the relatively poor performance of Baffert runners in subsequent weeks. Until Sunday, and the efforts of Soul Streit and Irish Freedom, I thought it was a certainty that Arrogate would opt for the Woodward. That's actually still on the table if Baffert is simply trying to clear the table for Collected. Or he's simply figured out how to adjust his training to the surface and his confidence is restored.

At the same time, the BC Classic will be run at Del Mar this year, so if the connections don't want to deal with lingering surface questions all through the fall, they'll probably run here to get to the bottom of it all.
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Old 08-16-2017, 12:52 PM
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Not without at least a brief layoff in between. However, was there really no excuse?

It's an interesting quandary for the connections. It's an easy and perhaps plausible excuse that the horse detested the surface. This is supported by the relatively poor performance of Baffert runners in subsequent weeks. Until Sunday, and the efforts of Soul Streit and Irish Freedom, I thought it was a certainty that Arrogate would opt for the Woodward. That's actually still on the table if Baffert is simply trying to clear the table for Collected. Or he's simply figured out how to adjust his training to the surface and his confidence is restored.

At the same time, the BC Classic will be run at Del Mar this year, so if the connections don't want to deal with lingering surface questions all through the fall, they'll probably run here to get to the bottom of it all.
I thought the same...I was told he was running here for sure about a week ago. I still find it hard to believe a truly great horse would have issues with surface, he never has anywhere else. My best guess is maybe he is getting studish?

This is a different track, maybe plays to the east coast better, maybe you need a race over it...have no clue but its def not SA or old Del Mar.
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Old 08-16-2017, 01:08 PM
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Not without at least a brief layoff in between. However, was there really no excuse?

It's an interesting quandary for the connections. It's an easy and perhaps plausible excuse that the horse detested the surface. This is supported by the relatively poor performance of Baffert runners in subsequent weeks. Until Sunday, and the efforts of Soul Streit and Irish Freedom, I thought it was a certainty that Arrogate would opt for the Woodward. That's actually still on the table if Baffert is simply trying to clear the table for Collected. Or he's simply figured out how to adjust his training to the surface and his confidence is restored.

At the same time, the BC Classic will be run at Del Mar this year, so if the connections don't want to deal with lingering surface questions all through the fall, they'll probably run here to get to the bottom of it all.
Its very interesting that both Arrogate and Collected are in this race. Collected has been training lights out and if can get the distance will be a handful to beat here.
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Old 08-16-2017, 01:56 PM
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Its very interesting that both Arrogate and Collected are in this race. Collected has been training lights out and if can get the distance will be a handful to beat here.
I always felt like 10F was beyond his scope, and on this track its a real 10 furlongs this year. But he is training and talented, and you have that whole bet the longer priced Baffert horse thingy
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:13 PM
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Normally, when a horse of anywhere near Arrogates ability runs such an inexplicable race this close to the end of its career, it's just retired. Baffert didn't seem surprised or concerned even with the race. Instead of the usual talk about going over him with every diagnostic test available, he spoke like he had confidence that Arrogate would run back to form in a few weeks.

It was pretty odd.
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Old 08-19-2017, 07:29 PM
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Cant wait for Arrogate to crush this field. Excited.
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Old 08-19-2017, 07:33 PM
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Cant wait for Arrogate to crush this field. Excited.
I am alive in the pick three 10x to the 235

I heard some good things about the 5 in the 6th so was able to single.
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Old 08-19-2017, 07:37 PM
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I am alive in the pick three 10x to the 235

I heard some good things about the 5 in the 6th so was able to single.
Good luck bro. Seriously i cant believe how quick people are giving up on the best horse in the world, but i hope you catch the 5 if Arrogate isn't back.
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Old 08-19-2017, 07:39 PM
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I am alive in the pick three 10x to the 235

I heard some good things about the 5 in the 6th so was able to single.
5 looked strong in the baby race. I went 5 deep and didn't use Hunt.
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Old 08-19-2017, 07:41 PM
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I am alive in the pick three 10x to the 235

I heard some good things about the 5 in the 6th so was able to single.
I think the pick 4 can pay big even with Arrogate.
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Old 08-19-2017, 07:52 PM
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I think its official and safe to say he does not like Del Mar.
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Old 08-19-2017, 07:55 PM
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For a trainer who just won the Pacific Classic, Baffert doesn't look too excited
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Collected is a good horse
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