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Old 05-06-2019, 04:34 PM
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I love seeing improbable coming back.
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Old 05-07-2019, 08:42 AM
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Shug not going to Preakness with Code of Honor; Pointing for Dwyer..
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Old 05-07-2019, 09:50 AM
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Shug not going to Preakness with Code of Honor; Pointing for Dwyer..
This makes no sense.

Horse would be 3/1 to win a Triple Crown race and they’re going in a G3 instead?!?
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Old 05-07-2019, 11:50 AM
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Country House ruled out for Preakness: http://live.drf.com/nuggets/47990-br...ng-to-get-sick

BREAKING NEWS: Country House out of Preakness, per Mott, who said he's coughing, "acting like he's going to get sick"

Kentucky Derby winner Country House will not run in the Preakness Stakes, trainer Bill Mott said Tuesday, after Country House started to show signs of becoming ill at Churchill Downs, where he has remained following his Derby victory on Saturday.

"He developed a little bit of a cough this morning," Mott said by telephone. "He appetite is good. He doesn't have a fever. But he's coughing. We drew blood. He's acting like he's going to get sick. He's off the training list, and if he's off the training list he's off the Preakness list.

"It's probably a little viral thing," Mott said. "Hopefully it doesn't develop into anything serious. Usually when something like this happens a horse misses a couple weeks of training. He's not seriously sick right now. But he's showing indications that something is going on."
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Old 05-07-2019, 03:14 PM
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No Maximum Security, no Country House, and no Code of Honor. So not a single one of the 1-2-3 finishers from the Derby will run in the Preakness. That has to be the first time this has happened.
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Old 05-07-2019, 03:23 PM
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Going to get all the "new" fans with that news. I wish they'd quit running that annoying preakness commercial while im trying to watch my bruins play.
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Old 05-07-2019, 03:52 PM
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Going to get all the "new" fans with that news. I wish they'd quit running that annoying preakness commercial while im trying to watch my bruins play.
Well MS needs time off because Servis’s “program” requires 30-45 days between starts.

Hay and oats.
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Old 05-07-2019, 04:39 PM
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Well MS needs time off because Servis’s “program” requires 30-45 days between starts.

Hay and oats.
Can someone explain the time frame for me? Does the extra time allow a trainer to give PEDs to a horse that increase muscle, etc. but are out of the system by the time the horse races next?
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:11 PM
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Can someone explain the time frame for me? Does the extra time allow a trainer to give PEDs to a horse that increase muscle, etc. but are out of the system by the time the horse races next?
If anything it's the opposite. The cheating trainers' horses can come back much quicker. Their horses can do things that normal horses can't do.
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:12 PM
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If anything it's the opposite. The cheating trainers' horses can come back much quicker. Their horses can do things that normal horses can't do.
Wrong
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:40 PM
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If anything it's the opposite. The cheating trainers' horses can come back much quicker. Their horses can do things that normal horses can't do.
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Yeah cuz R. Dutrow absolutely sucked at running horses back quickly
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:42 PM
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Country House ruled out for Preakness: http://live.drf.com/nuggets/47990-br...ng-to-get-sick

BREAKING NEWS: Country House out of Preakness, per Mott, who said he's coughing, "acting like he's going to get sick"

Kentucky Derby winner Country House will not run in the Preakness Stakes, trainer Bill Mott said Tuesday, after Country House started to show signs of becoming ill at Churchill Downs, where he has remained following his Derby victory on Saturday.

"He developed a little bit of a cough this morning," Mott said by telephone. "He appetite is good. He doesn't have a fever. But he's coughing. We drew blood. He's acting like he's going to get sick. He's off the training list, and if he's off the training list he's off the Preakness list.

"It's probably a little viral thing," Mott said. "Hopefully it doesn't develop into anything serious. Usually when something like this happens a horse misses a couple weeks of training. He's not seriously sick right now. But he's showing indications that something is going on."
I've heard it's more of a big choke than a little cough...You know, the notion of being exposed and all....
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:48 PM
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Yeah cuz R. Dutrow absolutely sucked at running horses back quickly
We are talking about different kinds of programs.

You’re a big fan of 40% trainers now? Amazing what this DQ has done to people.
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:49 PM
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I've heard it's more of a big choke than a little cough...You know, the notion of being exposed and all....
Can you be exposed when you were 70-1 and ran maybe the 3rd or 4th best race when you got moved up?
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:49 PM
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It is an absurd thing to say. Where are you getting your information? Blood doping and all cheating make horses much stronger and able to do things that normal horses can't do. Just like Lance Armstrong could do things that would not be possible without blood doping. When you are much stronger and can get much more air, you don't get as tired and you recover much quicker. It is the same with pretty much all the things that these guys use. Whether it's blood doping or whether it's something like steroids or something that mimics steroids, it allows the horses to recover much quicker and to maintain their weight. In Southern California there was a trainer who would run his horses back in a week all the time when steroids were allowed. It was a known fact that this guy was giving huge doses of steroids.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:09 PM
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It is an absurd thing to say. Where are you getting your information? Blood doping and all cheating make horses much stronger and able to do things that normal horses can't do. Just like Lance Armstrong could do things that would not be possible without blood doping. When you are much stronger and can get much more air, you don't get as tired and you recover much quicker. It is the same with pretty much all the things that these guys use. Whether it's blood doping or whether it's something like steroids or something that mimics steroids, it allows the horses to recover much quicker and to maintain their weight. In Southern California there was a trainer who would run his horses back in a week all the time when steroids were allowed. It was a known fact that this guy was giving huge doses of steroids.
Coming from you that’s a compliment.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:12 PM
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No Maximum Security, no Country House, and no Code of Honor. So not a single one of the 1-2-3 finishers from the Derby will run in the Preakness. That has to be the first time this has happened.
I wonder if Shug McGaughey will have a rethink with Code of Honor.

At any rate, in 1985 the 1-2 finishers Spend A Buck (Jersey Derby) and the ill-fated Stephan's Odyssey (Peter Pan) opted out of the Preakness. Show horse Chief's Crown started and was tagged at the wire by Derby also-ran Tank's Prospect.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:32 PM
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Can you be exposed when you were 70-1 and ran maybe the 3rd or 4th best race when you got moved up?
Hossy, how many sides of this are you going to take? First it's "WoW and LRT were completely compromised, thus were cost placings, thus the takedown AND placing of MS to 17th was warranted.

Now, the interference had nothing to do with CR's trip and he was the 3rd or 4th best?

C'mon Man.

It's one or the other.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:32 PM
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You have guys like baffert,beyer etc etc etc well respected guys saying it was bullshit. It cost me north of 5k and it was and will be horrible decison. The worst being that **** statement the **** stewards prepared after waiting ****ing 23 minutes to make the WRONG decison if their trying to "grow" the game with younger fans wellyou couldn't of handled that any worse. Younger people myslef included don't have the patience to be sitting around waiting for three clowns to make a **** decison. And now their promoting the **** of this 80oclm on May 18th (i mean the preakness stakes) GTFO
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:46 PM
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Hossy, how many sides of this are you going to take? First it's "WoW and LRT were completely compromised, thus were cost placings, thus the takedown AND placing of MS to 17th was warranted.

Now, the interference had nothing to do with CR's trip and he was the 3rd or 4th best?

C'mon Man.

It's one or the other.
How is it one or the other? I’ve been very consistent. I’ve maintained throughout that CH wasn’t impacted. But he finished 2nd. So he was moved up because MS fouled WoW and LRT and cost them their chance at 2nd-4th.

It’s pretty obvious MS ran a better race than CH. I thought ground loss considered so did Game Winner and maybe WoW.

You’ve watched enough races to know very often the “best” horse doesn’t always win.
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