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Old 08-30-2017, 03:05 PM
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Old 08-30-2017, 04:13 PM
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Where are all the two year olds in Saratoga?
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:24 PM
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Rally Cry in an upset. Do I think he's as good as Gun Runner, no. But with a likely odds difference of 1-5 and 4-1 he's worth a shot. He has thrown a few very big races, including his last that make him competitive.
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Old 08-30-2017, 10:47 PM
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Rally Cry in an upset. Do I think he's as good as Gun Runner, no. But with a likely odds difference of 1-5 and 4-1 he's worth a shot. He has thrown a few very big races, including his last that make him competitive.
No advanced praise for Bricks and Mortar?

That is a really interesting race actually. The invader from WO looks outstanding too.
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Old 08-30-2017, 11:06 PM
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No advanced praise for Bricks and Mortar?

That is a really interesting race actually. The invader from WO looks outstanding too.
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Old 08-31-2017, 12:42 AM
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Cinch.
Hardly. Have you seen the Woodbine horse? He looks like a top horse.
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Old 08-31-2017, 01:10 AM
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Hardly. Have you seen the Woodbine horse? He looks like a top horse.
Horse won by half a pole.
Da Silva never let the horse extend........he never moved his arms on the straighten.
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Old 08-31-2017, 01:34 AM
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Caviar Czar is the only horse in the race making his turf debut. Dam was a stakes-placed turf runner imported from France.

More importantly, his second dam, Love Me True is the dam of the 2013 Epsom Derby winner, Ruler of The World as well as 2008 Champion older horse Duke of Marmalade (Juddmonte International, King George, Prince of Wales's, etc.).

Fourth dam is uber-broodmare Lassie Dear (A.P. Indy, Summer Squall, Lemon Drop Kid, Honor Grades, etc.).

Caviar Czar's sire, Medaglia d'Oro, in addition to siring slow 3yo fillies (Rachel Alexandra, Elate, Songbird, Plum Pretty) has sired numerous Grade 1 turf winners and overseas champions. He himself was by top turf stallion El Prado (Kitten's Joy, Artie Schiller, Timo, etc.).

Caviar Czar had two blistering works over the Belmont turf course in June, both bullets at 1/2 mile. Not sure what the delay was making his turf debut, but last race was off-the-turf. John Velasquez opts for this over stablemate Master Plan.
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Old 08-31-2017, 04:17 AM
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Caviar Czar is the only horse in the race making his turf debut. Dam was a stakes-placed turf runner imported from France.

More importantly, his second dam, Love Me True is the dam of the 2013 Epsom Derby winner, Ruler of The World as well as 2008 Champion older horse Duke of Marmalade (Juddmonte International, King George, Prince of Wales's, etc.).

Fourth dam is uber-broodmare Lassie Dear (A.P. Indy, Summer Squall, Lemon Drop Kid, Honor Grades, etc.).

Caviar Czar's sire, Medaglia d'Oro, in addition to siring slow 3yo fillies (Rachel Alexandra, Elate, Songbird, Plum Pretty) has sired numerous Grade 1 turf winners and overseas champions. He himself was by top turf stallion El Prado (Kitten's Joy, Artie Schiller, Timo, etc.).

Caviar Czar had two blistering works over the Belmont turf course in June, both bullets at 1/2 mile. Not sure what the delay was making his turf debut, but last race was off-the-turf. John Velasquez opts for this over stablemate Master Plan.

He was an MTO in that race.

While it's strange it's taken this long to run him on the turf, my guess is that after the race, it won't seem so strange. Still, you have to toss him in multis.
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Rabbit not allowed entry to Woodward:

http://www.drf.com/news/paoluccis-ra...oodward-stakes

What do you guys think? I can see both sides.

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Old 08-31-2017, 09:39 AM
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Rabbit not allowed entry to Woodward:

http://www.drf.com/news/paoluccis-ra...oodward-stakes

What do you guys think? I can see both sides.
Cautious Giant was entered as a rabbit in the Whitney, set the pace for about a 1/2 mile and even threw a shoe at his target (Gun Runner) and still couldn't soften him up.
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Cautious Giant was entered as a rabbit in the Whitney, set the pace for about a 1/2 mile and even threw a shoe at his target (Gun Runner) and still couldn't soften him up.
Baffert will have a real rabbit in collected for the BC
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He was an MTO in that race.

While it's strange it's taken this long to run him on the turf, my guess is that after the race, it won't seem so strange. Still, you have to toss him in multis.
Thanks, I failed to do all the proper research, just presumed they were pointing for the grass with those two bullet works back in June. Kind of hard to think he didn't handle it based on the times, but perhaps the clockers (and Pletcher) weren't impressed.

I guess there's always the Discovery to point for. At least I got a Timo reference in there.
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Baffert will have a real rabbit in collected for the BC
Cupid, with his horrendous running style (blows turns, lugs in, stays on wrong lead) is the real secret weapon. He can play the rabbit, float horses wide, and impede them on the rail in the stretch. About the only thing he doesn't do is break poorly, which would have been good for clobbering some rivals at the start penalty free.
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Cupid, with his horrendous running style (blows turns, lugs in, stays on wrong lead) is the real secret weapon. He can play the rabbit, float horses wide, and impede them on the rail in the stretch. About the only thing he doesn't do is break poorly, which would have been good for clobbering some rivals at the start penalty free.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:37 PM
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Only chance has of winning for Rally Cry is to be ridden aggressively and try to run him off his feet, if he cedes another candy trip to Gun Runner I doubt he can pass him when it matters.

Riders are rarely that aggressive on this circuit so I expect a nice slow pace jog win for Gun Runner.
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:16 PM
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I think I could have timed the last quarter of the Spinnaway with a sun dial.
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I think I could have timed the last quarter of the Spinnaway with a sun dial.
Horribly slow race, the 6th, a maiden, went more then one second faster. Unless the track changed drastically this is a sad Grade One effort.
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Horribly slow race, the 6th, a maiden, went more then one second faster. Unless the track changed drastically this is a sad Grade One effort.
The pace was better than average but that race is weak all around.

Of course I fell for all the Seperationofpowers is the next great thing and singled her, when I knew she road a gold rail to the big win.
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wow, this horse has gotten really good, that was his best race to date.
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