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Street Sense ... rail sure didn't hurt. he looked geared down winning. would have won anyway? CQ .... 4w,5w GHunter... steadied, checked, 4wide. who knows? Scat Daddy... 4wide most of way Princ Secret... insside speed stopped cold. http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=cd1104040.pdf |
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Thor .... 3w Friendly... rail trip Nightmare ...3wide Bordonaro ... had the inside trip compared to the top 3. http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=cd1104060.pdf |
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Real hard to base any claims of any sort off the Distaff with most of the money breaking down on the track. All top finishers had inside trips. http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=cd1104080.pdf |
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Classic Invasor .... always 3 w, 5 wide stretch Bern... 4 wide, then wider when making move Giacomo ... 5 wide to turn. 7-8 wide thereafter. http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=cd1104100.pdf Aside from the Distaff, I just don't see the huge bias so many saw. This concludes our programming for the day. Good night and thanks for watching! |
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I'm guessing there was probably a little bias, I don't think it was anywhere near as pronounced as people are making it out to be though and did not have a major impact on the outcome of the races. |
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I don't know how many times I have to give you the man's words.He is on the rail gate to turn,and is running so fast he would trample the others,if he didn't go around them 3 wide.The reason he is full of run while the horses on the outside aren't full of run,is because he has been riding that golden rail the 1st part of the race.Keep denying though.Just like you keep denying you want Israel to get it's a$$ kicked.DENY,DENY. Last edited by SCUDSBROTHER : 11-21-2006 at 05:10 PM. |
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All anyone needs to do is go back to the page that happened when we were talking about the races on BC day. You saw what was happening and said so. Though some might wish to deny, your observations were correct. You saw what was happening, Steve also told about the scraping. All the rest is excuses. DTS |
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The thing I'm so confused about is the uproar about the inside of the track being scraped -- and Lehr stating that they do that every day before the races. So why is that the smoking gun?
I still don't think there was a bias -- but if we're going to quote Andy Beyer like he has any clue on earth what he's talking about -- then by all means Lehr's words count just as much...which brings us right back to a stalemate. I'm not exactly about to tout the post-race analysis of a guy who couldn't pick the winner of a race by watching the replay. Scuds -- I still don't see what Nakatani's quote from Thor's Echo has to do with anything. He had to maneuver out around the turn because he was moving too fast. So what? If the rail was such a godsend -- why did he have to move outside at all? He shouldn't have been about to run over those in front of him, as the horses in front of him should have been going just as fast, considering they were.....on the rail, right?? Why was he faster and more explosive on their outside in winning the race? You're using reverse logic -- that quote shows nothing at all. |
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Go to the top of the page, click on page 17. Read what Scuds said on that day. He shared his analysis while it was happening. After it happened, seems to me like many have eithr questions or excuses. Listen to Scuds. He saw it and said so. |
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I still don't understand what the big deal is about the whole controversy? Do any of you people have any connection to a horse that was supposedly screwed? If you lost money betting then it was your fault for not figuring out how to bet this supposedly huge bias. Bias, percieved or not happen every day in this sport because of a number of conditions beyond the control of anyone. I mean if the wind is blowing out at Wrigley do they cancel the game because its unfair to the pitchers? Who really gives a damn about who won the Breeders Cup races. They are over, great for the winners, too bad for the losers, move on.
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but i didn't see it. and i'm saying so. so what's your point? |
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The surface really threw me off my game. However, any horse in the BC can win. Any horse. If the inside was that great, how did INVASOR win the Classic?
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I think the bias was less evident as the day went on. But I would have to be Ray Charles to miss the fact that there was one to begin with.
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I can't wait for all those good races this weekend that can help end the breeders cup hangover.
I know its slow now, we are in between Tri Crown season and BC season, but it will be nice to put this one to bed. How about that Discreet Cat and Nobiz Like Showbiz huh? |
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aren't on the board.You simply can't say the track is fair when that many consistent horses don't fire.There are 4 very consistent horses in there that are almost always on the board in graded sprints.That race is like "the "control" in a science experiment. The control results aren't within the acceptable range.I know that track was total crap.This attitude of "who cares who wins the races on the biggest day of the year" is very odd to me.These people may only have 1 chance in their life to race a horse in the B.C...Not only that,but these jocks count on this one day of the year,and you're telling me that you could really give a sht about if the track is anywhere near fair? I don't get that. |
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1)Golden Rail 2)a ton of horses could not get ahold of that track that day.QLM was the 1st to show how crappy that track was,but there are gunna be a lot,lot more,and this is gunna be a well documented piece of crap track. |
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And QLM was the first horse to show that: running from the back of the pack in a race in which the best horse got to set a dawdling pace on the front end while getting zero pressure from the second best horse in the race who was coincidentally running second -- is NOT the way you win any race, let alone the Breeder's Cup. Again, no point at all here. |