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Old 08-27-2006, 08:57 PM
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If Dini beats older horses then he's the Champ in my eyes. So ole Barb ran some good races ok but Dini hasn't even been challanged in his last 3 or 4. Just because you win the Yum's Brand Derby doesn't mean you get the 3 year old HOY.
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Old 08-27-2006, 08:59 PM
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I think Barbaro will get some votes based on his performance on the track. Deservedly so. And I'll think he'll get some votes for his determination off the track, God willing he pulls through. Deservedley so.

I think his ordeal off the track merits consideration for Horse Of The Year Voting.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:00 PM
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But, seriously as a man as old as you are should know, sometimes attempting to be clever and humorous just isn't worth it if it means possibly upsetting others.
And I'm also old enough to know that there's nothing unusual or particularly overwhelming about being "upset" ...

... it's something that happens nearly all the time to nearly everyone ... and is particularly of less consequence when it's the result of someone else's horse snapping a leg ...

... so the more everyone gets used to experiencing inconsequential upsetedness ... and not letting it upset them ... the more comfortable their lives will be.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:00 PM
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Please tell that to the American Racing Manual and the Daily Racing Form ...

... they've been reporting that Ruffian was 10 for 11.
They are wrong, she was 10 for 10 in races she finished.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:06 PM
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If Bernardini wins one of the big fall races, 3 yo honors should undoubtedly be his. How can anyone argue that?

Barbaro was an excellent horse but we arent talking could haves or should haves we are talking about "dids" when we are naming a champion. Bernardini, in my humble opinion may have already done more without beating older horses.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:08 PM
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i am also talking about Bobby's will to live off the track. That, plus his on track performance deserves my support as #1.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:14 PM
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They are wrong, she was 10 for 10 in races she finished.
If you say so ...

.. but please don't tell that to our fellow forum member ... Phalaris1913 ... because she's the editor of the American Racing Manual ...

... and she may be embarrassed to find out that she's been wrong all these years.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:16 PM
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Being upset about lifes tradgedies is what makes us human beings.
If you consider someone else's race horse snapping a leg to be one of "life's tragedies" ...

... then you've had a very charmed and/or sheltered life.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:18 PM
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[quote=Bold Brooklynite] ... and is particularly of less consequence when it's the result of someone else's horse snapping a leg ...QUOTE]


what a disgusting comment. butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:28 PM
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what a disgusting comment. butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.
What's disgusting about believing that it's not one of "life's tragedies" ... when someone else's race horse snaps a leg?

Thoroughbred horses are very fragile animals ... and are susceptible to serious leg injuries at any given time. Do you seriously believe that it's one of "life's tragedies" when it happens?
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:30 PM
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my cat came home with a competely broken leg. it was my duty to have it mended by the vet. he did and Allie is having a ball. and now he stays inside.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:32 PM
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First you know nothing about what my life is or has been like so don't go there. I have not led a charmed or sheltered life, I have had to work my a$$ off for anything I've gotten. Way to not address my point though, and I am not sure how to rate what happened to Barbaro but it was pretty bad. It has obviously gotten better, but it could still take a turn for the worse. I wasn't refering to what happened in the Preakness as one of life's tragedies, but it was pretty bad. I was making the point that while I didn't have a direct connection to barbaro like owning him, it was sad to see it happen. A dog was run over by a car on my block today, I didn't own the dog, but it was sad and upsetting seeing the owners standing over him. Got my point?
Sure ... it's sad to see someone else's horse break a leg ... or someone else's dog run over by a car. But neither is a tragedy ...

... nor is working very hard to get what you desire ... in fact ... working hard to achieve your goals can be very satisfying.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:09 PM
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Again, dancing around the issue. My point with you is that you were criticizing people for being upset about what happened with Barbaro. You said since we didn't own him, it was "inconsequential." You instructed us all on how to live "comfortable lives." Well my life is comfortable, but there are moments of pain when something sad happens. I say that's called being human. You are doing your thing, and ignoring that. I don't know how you would describe a tragedy, but ask the Jackson's, or the owner of that dog today, they might say it was a tragedy.
1. I never criticized anyone for being upset about a horse snapping a leg ... I simply pointed out that nearly eveyone's life is a series of "upsets" ... and that particular upset was one of the less consequential ones among all the upsets someone could potentially face.

2. The loss of the dog may have indeed been a tragedy to the owner ... but it shouldn't be to someone who didn't own the dog ... or who wasn't particularly intimate with the owner.

3. Some things I'd describe as tragedies are ... 100 million innocent people being slaughtered by communist tyrants worldwide ... or 50 million innocent million people losing their lives in a war started by National Socialists and Japanese Imperialists ... or 3,000 innocent people being incinerated in their workplaces ... or learning that a loved one has cancer ... or seeing a loved one run over by a car ... or snapping a leg ... and ...

... and the Jimmy Carter administration.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:10 PM
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Again, dancing around the issue. My point with you is that you were criticizing people for being upset about what happened with Barbaro. You said since we didn't own him, it was "inconsequential." You instructed us all on how to live "comfortable lives." Well my life is comfortable, but there are moments of pain when something sad happens. I say that's called being human. You are doing your thing, and ignoring that. I don't know how you would describe a tragedy, but ask the Jackson's, or the owner of that dog today, they might say it was a tragedy.
Don't waste your time trying to argue with him... he's obviously had a silver spoon in his mouth for his entire life and wouldn't have the slightest inkling of what you were inferring to. I completely understand and consider what happened to Barbaro one of life's tragedies. Bold will never get it... it's not in him to have compassion for anything other than what "gets him off" at the moment.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:15 PM
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1. I never criticized anyone for being upset about a horse snapping a leg ... I simply pointed out that nearly eveyone's life is a series of "upsets" ... and that particular upset was one of the less consequential ones among all the upsets someone could potentially face.

2. The loss of the dog may have indeed been a tragedy to the owner ... but it shouldn't be to someone who didn't own the dog ... or who wasn't particularly intimate with the owner.

3. Some things I'd describe as tragedies are ... 100 million innocent people being slaughtered by communist tyrants worldwide ... or 50 million innocent million people losing their lives in a war started by National Socialists and Japanese Imperialists ... or 3,000 innocent people being incinerated in their workplaces ... or learning that a loved one has cancer ... or seeing a loved one run over by a car ... or snapping a leg ... and ...

... and the Jimmy Carter administration.
But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:16 PM
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Don't waste your time trying to argue with him... he's obviously had a silver spoon in his mouth for his entire life and wouldn't have the slightest inkling of what you were inferring to. I completely understand and consider what happened to Barbaro one of life's tragedies. Bold will never get it... it's not in him to have compassion for anything other than what "gets him off" at the moment.
How simplistic and jejeune of you.

You know nothing of my personal life ... other than that I claim to be 63 years old. And wouldn't you think ... if you were capable of thought ... that someone who has lived for 63 years would have experienced at least one ... if not many ... personal tragedies?

Shame on you for making so public your ignorance..
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:18 PM
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How simplistic and jejeune of you.

You know nothing of my personal life ... other than that I claim to be 63 years old. And wouldn't you think ... if you were capable of thought ... that someone who has lived for 63 years would have experienced at least one ... if not many ... personal tragedies?

Shame on you for making so public your ignorance..
And shame on you for judging someone else who happens to consider what happened to a horse a life tragedy. Just who are you to judge what is a tragedy to someone else? You make light of something that obviously affected many people (yourself not included.) What right of that is yours?
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:19 PM
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But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?
I've never tried to tell anyone what they should or should not regard as a tragedy.

I'm only advising them that if they think that someone else's race horse snapping a leg is one of life's tragedies ... then they're in for quite a few much bigger shocks down the road.
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And shame on you for judging someone else who happens to consider what happened to a horse a life tragedy. Just who are you to judge what is a tragedy to someone else? You make light of something that obviously affected many people (yourself not included.) What right of that is yours?
See my previous post.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:23 PM
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Sorry folks, but all that Bernardini needs to do is to win one more race or perhaps run 2nd in the JCGC and BCC and he is the 3year old champ. In fact, he has a chance to be horse of the year. If he wins both those races then he horse of the year. Barbaro will not win an award this year.
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