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Old 05-12-2019, 08:07 PM
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Default new video of derby DQ

Puts the onus on WOW , curiously does not show the headon shot though

https://www.yahoo.com/news/maximum-s...043736761.html

PS - watch the replay of gulfstreams race 11 of sunday 5/12/19 DQ of the 3 who won and was taken down and the 7 put up
a similar take down.
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:25 PM
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Before all of this I actually had some respect for the West’s, who have put a lot of money into the game. I’m sure they could care less what I think, but this is embarrassing at this point.

I’ve always thought highly of Luis Saez as a rider. I’m guessing this is not his doing, but it makes him look foolish as well.

The video doesn’t make lawyers look good either.
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Old 05-12-2019, 09:01 PM
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Just as I said all along. gafflione caused it . He hit Maximum Security from behind after running up his heels trying to get to a hole that wasn’t there. It was a Paco Lopez I’ll make a hole if there isn’t one move. He never should have come down.
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Old 05-12-2019, 09:03 PM
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Well I am glad to know I am not alone in my opinion. Jodi mcDonald on FAN went off on a rant saying the same thing too. WOW ran up his ass.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:22 AM
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Well I am glad to know I am not alone in my opinion. Jodi mcDonald on FAN went off on a rant saying the same thing too. WOW ran up his ass.
He’s a big horse racing fan? How many races a year do you think he watches? I have the over/under at 3.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:18 AM
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I have to admit I’m kind of surprised people actually watch all of the videos of the Derby and come away from watching it thinking MS was fouled. I’m not trying to offend anyone but that’s crazy.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:37 AM
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I have to admit I’m kind of surprised people actually watch all of the videos of the Derby and come away from watching it thinking MS was fouled. I’m not trying to offend anyone but that’s crazy.
Its amazing that people view each of the "latest" Derby videos and takes the most recent as the new, singular truth. It's as if all other previous angles are negated.

All one has to do to verify that WOW did or did not foul MS from behind prior to the latter veering out is to watch another angle(s) at the same point in time (you know, like the stewards are supposed to).

But I guess since no one has yet to sync 2 complementary angles together side-by-side, lazy people will continue to buy into the headlines of "indisputable evidence".
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:16 AM
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This tape shows WOW caused the problems..period the end
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:29 AM
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Insult, meet Injury

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...rby-infraction

What an absolute travesty. What are the chances of someone gets 15 days out of an obscure infraction that the stewards didn't even see?
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:45 AM
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Insult, meet Injury

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...rby-infraction

What an absolute travesty. What are the chances of someone gets 15 days out of an obscure infraction that the stewards didn't even see?
I’m in the camp that agrees with the DQ, but I see no reason to suspend him. Especially given the track conditions that day. Borderline absurd to suspend him, IMO.
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:19 AM
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So Gafflione had nothing to do with it ? It was all Saez ?
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:22 AM
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Insult, meet Injury

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...rby-infraction

What an absolute travesty. What are the chances of someone gets 15 days out of an obscure infraction that the stewards didn't even see?
Say what you want about the DQ this is most absurd ruling I've seen yet.
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:31 AM
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So he can't ride at Churchill?
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:04 AM
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I finally watched the video. Freeze-framing at specific points on the turn to show that War of Will or Country House moves lanes doesn’t really prove anything. Not a bad attempt but I’m not sure it shows that the stewards were incorrect.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:08 AM
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I've watched it from 3 different angles: Grandstand side, infield side, head-on. I wonder if there is an overhead shot? Seems like that might reveal whether the fault is Gafflione's or not?
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:45 AM
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Even though the horse was rightly DQ’d I don’t think Saez should be suspended. Some of the hyperbole in this thread is humorous though.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:51 AM
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The thought that Gaffalione is at fault is mind boggling to me. Anyone thinking that either bet MS or is overdue for an eye exam.
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:02 PM
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Where did Gafflione ever have room to make that move ? If he stays put, he might have won. He came out where there was not room. Is he not up Saez’ Ass while max security is still in the 2 path ?
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:11 PM
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Where did Gafflione ever have room to make that move ? If he stays put, he might have won. He came out where there was not room. Is he not up Saez’ Ass while max security is still in the 2 path ?
It’s impossible for you to watch videos of the DQ and think he didn’t have room unless you’re trolling or need new glasses. You’ve followed the sport for a long time so my guess is you’re trolling. Not interested in playing that game with you.
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:18 PM
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Say what you want about the DQ this is most absurd ruling I've seen yet.
what Tom said...this is unfair basically because the horse shied and ducked out and Luis was able to correct the horse's path very quickly...unfair to the jock, this wasn't an issue of purposely herding to gain an advantage. For the record and The Who Gives a $hit Club, I agree with the DQ
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