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I dont think Gorella bounced at all. She lost to males. She was wide and lost. I dont think that it was a bounce. Where you at her barn? Nope..I was and I said she looked great and that the race didnt take anything out of her. I dont think I ever said she wouldnt bounce. |
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The race obvioiusly sapped her, and you obviously don't know Nick well. I talk to his brother just about every day. He'd slap you so hard if you ever said that around him, that you wouldn't wake up for months assuming you ever did. |
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2005 - $8mm plus in earnings. 2006 - $4mm plus in earnings. Earnings cut in half from 05-06. That is a sharp decline. I predict he will be around $4mm - $5mm for the next 5 years or now. He will have np TC winners. Then he will go to $2mm-$4mm in earnings. This is my prediction. What is yours? |
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Trainers dont decline, their stock does.
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Charlie Whittingham and Allen Jerkens are proof that age is not a disadvantage in training. |
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I don't care who you are, you are only as good as your horses, and as long as Nick keeps getting decent horses I imagine he will keep performing at a very high level. |
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I think you should maybe take a look at every year he has trained. I would guess like most trainers he has had some down years....not that this year has been a down year. He won the Spring Meet at Keeneland, probably the second biggest meet of the year, for God's sake. How can someone do THAT and be in decline? Believe me, I don't think you are trying to start a fight, but are just expressing an opinion. |
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Geez, you had me feeling bad for Nick, then I saw he has three wins and two seconds the last two days at Churchill.
He needs to retire. |
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If you look at history and the complexion of Nick's barn, his babies were either homebreds (or pinhooks that were buybacks) or in the $75k to $250k price range. He certainly was not in the Pletcher, Baffert or Lukas price range. Now the last couple of years certain owners started stepping up to bigger price ranges. That can change the complexion of a barn. From being in this business for quite some time, I have seen an interesting dynamic develop over time. Often, you see owners -- sometimes new, sometimes established -- gravitate to trainers who they might consider a constituent. Of course it's not always true. Be that as it may, the Pletcher phenomenon without question has an impact on competition and other trainers, the size and complexion of their barns, etc. I think trainers today will find that new skills are needed -- not limited to training horses, but in the area of "client management" and dealing with people. I don't think trainers get wealthy on their daily rate so there is a different mindset needed. I've always said -- never count out Nick Zito. IMO he hasn't lost a thing, a step, nothing. Eric |
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