Sumwon's potential boyfriend

[SniperSB23]

How about Touch Gold?

[PeteMugg]

How about a Mizzen Mast matchup?

[wiphan]

How about Dynaformer?

[wiphan]

chuck- Did you win free breeding the stallion of your choice in a local poker match?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

http://www.equineline.com/extendedco...areRef=7157094

Boy, I'm slow.

I just figured out how Nice Ass-ay was indeed named after sire and dam

[AeWingnut]

Wait, those horses are actually under consideration?

Humble Janet got 4th in a grade 1 today so that puts Sumwon right there
well.. maybe

But Sumwon did beat her

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Chuck has a couple things to vote on per the website.

Mineshaft $100,000 - so so. Don't think he has produced any runners of note yet.

John,

I'd say it's a little premature to call Mineshaft "so-so" and "not having produced any runners of note yet" considering a whopping 3 of his produce (6 starts) have hit the track to this point...

At least with Mineshaft you can feel good that his running record was based on talent without added influence of chemical enhancement.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Kasept

John,

I'd say it's a little premature to call Mineshaft "so-so" and "not having produced any runners of note yet" considering a whopping 3 of his produce (6 starts) have hit the track to this point...

At least with Mineshaft you can feel good that his running record was based on talent without added influence of chemical enhancement.

If they're anything like Mineshaft, they'll develop late anyway.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If they're anything like Mineshaft, they'll develop late anyway.

was about to say the same thing. ap indys are known to take time, and patience--the end result speaks for itself. i'm thinking mineshaft will be similar.
i think a sire from the family of seattle slew would be right for her.

[Riot]

I've never bred a horse in my life, but here's a dream list of what I'd look for. Nobody finds the dream, it's always a compromise.

I don't know the stallions well enough to know this, so maybe others that do know the stallions and what they throw can answer?

- middle-sized sire (not too big and doesn't throw huge babies, as Sumwon is a big girl)
- relatively compact conformation (but stayer type rather than sprinter type), very balanced with an athletic open way of moving, moderate with no extremes
- ** most important: throws good front legs consistently (good sturdy bone, absolutely no toeing out or back at the knees, a good big foot and has heel - good luck finding this in many thoroughbreds )
- deficient in Mr. Prospector in the pedigree
- precocity as 2-year-old not important
- tendency to have babies do better at 7f or over
- ** good temperment, sensible babies that are not crazy, stupid, and wired to the brink of insanity

If a stallion was deficient in ** I'd walk away and not consider him at all

Boy, Awesome Again (I just went and looked at him) - nice!

I like Dixieland Band, too - nothing flashy, and not alot of graded stakes runners, but they seem to last and run at 2-3-4 years age

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Afleet Alex is a poor cross
Rahy works well in many ways
Smart Strike would make the foal inbred 2x4 to Mr. P which is too close for me
Pleasant Tap works on blood but is probably too big
Quiet American would be 3x4 to Mr. P but would most likely produce a real coarse foal
Charismatic is not under consideration
Summer Squall is dead
Sunday Silence is dead
Unbridled is dead but would be a poor match if we could somehow revive him
Awesome Again is a great match
Kittens Joy is a no because of conformational issues and the fact that I think he has zero shot to be a good stallion

Then wouldn't Unbridled's kid Empire Maker not be a good match.
Now that I look at Charismatic.. not good on classic numbers at all.
So.. since Charismatic's sire and Mineshaft's sire had the same dam..
(Summer Squall is listed as pentioned not dead but he may be dead. Same difference)
The problem I see with all of these freshman sires is... unproven and the buzz may be over by the time Sumwon's baby hit auction. Not that I know a ding dong thing about this.

say.. Congaree raced until he was 5 so maybe will produce sound babies
heck..

Rahy is still available $60,000 for 2007

[Scav]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Then wouldn't Unbridled's kid Empire Maker not be a good match.
Now that I look at Charismatic.. not good on classic numbers at all.
So.. since Charismatic's sire and Mineshaft's sire had the same dam..
(Summer Squall is listed as pentioned not dead but he may be dead. Same difference)
The problem I see with all of these freshman sires is... unproven and the buzz may be over by the time Sumwon's baby hit auction. Not that I know a ding dong thing about this.

say.. Congaree raced until he was 5 so maybe will produce sound babies
heck..

Rahy is still available $60,000 for 2007

Why are you all about breeding her already? Unless something happens, she is gonna be a force for like the next two-three years

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Riot

I like Dixieland Band, too - nothing flashy, and not alot of graded stakes runners, but they seem to last and run at 2-3-4 years age

And a really good Broodmare sire (although I'm fondest of Deputy Minister) Poor guy though...I went with someone to take a mare to AP Indy and Dixieland Band was in the shed first...he had NO interest. I love the look of the yearlings by his son, Dixie Union, although I think he is overpriced. Athletic looking horses that don't look overly developed or will need a lot of time.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

Why are you all about breeding her already? Unless something happens, she is gonna be a force for like the next two-three years

Yeah, hopefully by the time she retires there will be little Street Sense's, Curlin's, and Hard Spun's going through the sale rings.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Scav

Why are you all about breeding her already? Unless something happens, she is gonna be a force for like the next two-three years

Chuck brought it up on the website besides mares have been known to race.

[Buffymommy]

Just think of the name possibilities for a RH10 and Sumwon baby....

[BPLichorowiec]

I have a general breeding question that somewhat relates to sumwon...

What kind of sire would work well with a horse like 'sumwon'? She seems to be a middle distance type horse. she also has the turf pedigree from Moll and the dirt pedigree from Came home.

Should she be bred to a sprinter? Distance horse? or even possibly a turf horse? Just want to hear people's opinion's and reasoning. Any ideas?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Just think of the name possibilities for a RH10 and Sumwon baby....

i think rock hard ten would be a tremendous mistake. too much size, bad legs--and sumwon is a little long in the pastern, so that is something you would want to try to correct. with her size, i don't think a big horse would be a good idea.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think rock hard ten would be a tremendous mistake. too much size, bad legs--and sumwon is a little long in the pastern, so that is something you would want to try to correct. with her size, i don't think a big horse would be a good idea.

I think the goal should be an 18 hand horse. Yes, Rock Hard 10 it is.

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think rock hard ten would be a tremendous mistake. too much size, bad legs--and sumwon is a little long in the pastern, so that is something you would want to try to correct. with her size, i don't think a big horse would be a good idea.

I was just saying name wise. I kinda think he needs little mares to equal out size wise. I wasn't being serious with my pick. Just thinking that naming the babies would be fun!!!