BCS

[King Glorious]

1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah

My prediction in bold.

Scenario #1: Alabama and Oklahoma both win their conference championships and then play for the national title.

Scenario #2: Alabama loses and Oklahoma wins. Oklahoma would play Florida in the title game because Florida would jump over Texas and into the #2 spot.

Scenario #3: Alabama wins and Oklahoma loses. Alabama would play Texas for the title.

Scenario #4: Alabama and Oklahoma both lose. Texas and Florida would play for the title.

Scenario #5: Alabama loses and Oklahoma wins but Texas stays ahead of Florida (very unlikely should Florida beat Alabama) and then Oklahoma and Texas play for the title.

Under no circumstances will USC or Utah be in the title game.

Another question is who will be the three at-large teams for the BCS? The six conference winners are in and so is Utah. So that's seven. That leaves three open spots. Texas is 99.999 assured of getting one of them. So that leaves two. I believe that the loser of the Alabama/Florida game will get a spot. That leaves one spot. Texas Tech can't go because a conference can't have more than two teams unless those they have the #1 and #2 teams. So that would basically take it down to Ohio St. or Boise St. for the final spot. I'd say if the Fiesta Bowl has the choice, they would go with Boise St. but any other bowl would chose Ohio St.

[horseofcourse]

The biggest travesty in this whole thing is of course TExas Tech not playing in the Big 12 championship game. Oklahoma of course insisted on Texas Tech playing in this game by explaining that head to head means absolutely nothing as they beat Texas Tech and Texas didn't. Their circularity of course meant that Oklahoma and Stoops felt T Tech was the deserving big 12 south champion. Texas Tech beat Texas and Oklahoma didn't...plus Texas Tech beat Oklahoma State prettier than Oklahoma did. Therefore, according to the Oklahoma publicity machine the Texas Tech/Oklahoma matchup really meant nothing. Oklahoma tosses Texas game in favor of the Texas Tech game, therefore Texas Tech can toss the Oklahoma game in favor of the Texas game putting them ahead of Oklahoma obviously according to the Oklahoma argument. Their own logic and argument placed them below Texas Tech.

And of course Texas was also arguing for Texas Tech as they claimed they beat Oklahoma straight up...meaning their straight up loss to Texas Tech was the decider. Their own logic and argument placed them below Texas Tech.

And of course MIke Leach brought up the graduation rates as well. So all 3 big 12 South schools argued for Texas Tech as the champion of the conference to no success. The pollsters have it all wrong.

Texas Tech...the true Big 12 south champion.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I believe that the loser of the Alabama/Florida game will get a spot. That leaves one spot. Texas Tech can't go because a conference can't have more than two teams unless those they have the #1 and #2 teams. So that would basically take it down to Ohio St. or Boise St. for the final spot. I'd say if the Fiesta Bowl has the choice, they would go with Boise St. but any other bowl would chose Ohio St.

the Sugar Bowl has already stated that IF Bama loses to fla. they want the Tide in NOLA. i would think the same for fla. Sugar Bowls problem who they get stuck with to play the SEC team. winner of the ACC or Cincinnati? actually i think the Bearcats have a nice team but the fans don't travel.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The biggest travesty in this whole thing is of course TExas Tech not playing in the Big 12 championship game. Oklahoma of course insisted on Texas Tech playing in this game by explaining that head to head means absolutely nothing as they beat Texas Tech and Texas didn't. Their circularity of course meant that Oklahoma and Stoops felt T Tech was the deserving big 12 south champion. Texas Tech beat Texas and Oklahoma didn't...plus Texas Tech beat Oklahoma State prettier than Oklahoma did. Therefore, according to the Oklahoma publicity machine the Texas Tech/Oklahoma matchup really meant nothing. Oklahoma tosses Texas game in favor of the Texas Tech game, therefore Texas Tech can toss the Oklahoma game in favor of the Texas game putting them ahead of Oklahoma obviously according to the Oklahoma argument. Their own logic and argument placed them below Texas Tech.

And of course Texas was also arguing for Texas Tech as they claimed they beat Oklahoma straight up...meaning their straight up loss to Texas Tech was the decider. Their own logic and argument placed them below Texas Tech.

And of course MIke Leach brought up the graduation rates as well. So all 3 big 12 South schools argued for Texas Tech as the champion of the conference to no success. The pollsters have it all wrong.

Texas Tech...the true Big 12 south champion.

Texas logic is that they lost to Tech on Tech's home field on the last play.
(after a freshman dropped a lollypop interception to seal the game) and beat Oklahoma cleanly on a neutral field. Tech barely sneaking by Baylor sealed their coffin. Any team that gets beat as bad as Tech did... They are just not that good. They got Texas on a very bad game and barely won.

Unlike most Texas fans, it does not bother me that Oklahoma went over us. You play your best and live with the results. We know the system has its drawbacks. No use to continually beating your head against a wall.

The one thing I can make sense of is that out of those 3 Big 12 teams, Tech is cearly the NOT the best. Good teams dont get 65 or whatever points put up on them. Tech away from Lubbock can lose to any decent team.

I think the King's scenario seems correct. Except I think Ohio St. has a good chance to replace Boise. Ohio St. has a huge following. And it does matter.

[Mortimer]

Hey..I'm not a bcs fan because it's so phony.



But Ohio State or any other team like them.....check the schedules for whoever that team could be ...and then look at Boise.

[ddthetide]

Humanitarian Bowl wants Boise and Ball St. Ball wants no parts of Boise on the blue rug. Ball has no objections to Boise as long as it's a neutral site.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

the Sugar Bowl has already stated that IF Bama loses to fla. they want the Tide in NOLA. i would think the same for fla. Sugar Bowls problem who they get stuck with to play the SEC team. winner of the ACC or Cincinnati? actually i think the Bearcats have a nice team but the fans don't travel.

They do travel but ther are only about 100 of them so they are hard to notice

[31lengths]

How 'bout this ? A play off system. Has anyone thought of that yet?
8 teams, the 4 BCS bowl games for the first round and....wait....have I heard this before? Well whatever.....just so everyone knows that it was MY idea.....

[Cannon Shell]

8 team playoff
Penn st
FL
ALA
Tex
Ok
USC
Utah
Boise St/Texas Tech

Boise-Texas Tech/Utah fiesta
USC/OKl Rose
Penn st/ALA Sugar
Tex/Fl Orange

Fiesta winner vs Rose winner
Sugar vs Orange

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Texas logic is that they lost to Tech on Tech's home field on the last play.
(after a freshman dropped a lollypop interception to seal the game) and beat Oklahoma cleanly on a neutral field. Tech barely sneaking by Baylor sealed their coffin. Any team that gets beat as bad as Tech did... They are just not that good. They got Texas on a very bad game and barely won.

Unlike most Texas fans, it does not bother me that Oklahoma went over us. You play your best and live with the results. We know the system has its drawbacks. No use to continually beating your head against a wall.

The one thing I can make sense of is that out of those 3 Big 12 teams, Tech is cearly the NOT the best. Good teams dont get 65 or whatever points put up on them. Tech away from Lubbock can lose to any decent team.

I think the King's scenario seems correct. Except I think Ohio St. has a good chance to replace Boise. Ohio St. has a huge following. And it does matter.

I think any bowl besides the Fiesta would chose Ohio St. The Fiesta might too but they would probably consider Boise for two reasons:

1) Idaho's close proximity to Arizona. I think in this economy, the fact that they are so close and travel expenses would be a lot lower for not only the team but the fans, that could play a role.

2) Boise's very successful visit the last time they played in the game, against Oklahoma.

[31lengths]

8 teams
Jan 1
Outback or Capital One 1-8
Cotton 2-7
Rose 3-6
Sugar 4-5

Jan 8
Orange 1-4
Fiesta 2-3

Jan 15
BCS Bowl 1-2

or 4 teams

Jan 1 (Rotating the 4 BCS bowls every year)
Orange 1-4
Fiesta 2-3

Jan 8
BCS Bowl 1-2

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think any bowl besides the Fiesta would chose Ohio St. The Fiesta might too but they would probably consider Boise for two reasons:

1) Idaho's close proximity to Arizona. I think in this economy, the fact that they are so close and travel expenses would be a lot lower for not only the team but the fans, that could play a role.

2) Boise's very successful visit the last time they played in the game, against Oklahoma.

I think it also depends on who is the other representative. If Texas gets the Fiesta, you are going to get many more requests for tickets from Texas fans if Ohio St. is the pick. It may not be fair... but this is how I see it. Texas and Ohio St. fans will travel in very large numbers. You are talking about the two top schools in the nation for revenue from sports. Huge Alumni numbers.

Should be interesting.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think any bowl besides the Fiesta would chose Ohio St. The Fiesta might too but they would probably consider Boise for two reasons:

1) Idaho's close proximity to Arizona. I think in this economy, the fact that they are so close and travel expenses would be a lot lower for not only the team but the fans, that could play a role.

2) Boise's very successful visit the last time they played in the game, against Oklahoma.

Idaho isnt real close to AZ

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Idaho isnt real close to AZ

Boise to Phoenix is under 1000 miles and it's half the distance of Columbus to Phoenix.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Boise to Phoenix is under 1000 miles and it's half the distance of Columbus to Phoenix.

Boise to Pheonix is farther than Chicago to NY. It is real hard to make a case that proximity is a reason to choose Boise. Maybe they think Boise's fans are more apt to make the trip being that they are new to the big bowl game thing?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Boise to Pheonix is farther than Chicago to NY. It is real hard to make a case that proximity is a reason to choose Boise. Maybe they think Boise's fans are more apt to make the trip being that they are new to the big bowl game thing?

What does Chicago to NY have to do with anything? Why is it hard to make a case for Boise based on proximity? They are less than 1000 miles away and Ohio St. fans would have to travel twice as far to get to Phoenix as Boise fans. Also, Boise played in the Fiesta Bowl just a couple of years ago and put on a great show when they beat Oklahoma. They'd make the trip to Phoenix. When they played in the 2007 game, the stadium was packed to capacity.

It's probably a moot point though. Ohio St. would be the bigger TV draw even if they wouldn't be a bigger draw attendance wise and as I said earlier, the only chance Boise would have of getting selected is if the selection belongs to the Fiesta. Any other would automatically chose Ohio St.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What does Chicago to NY have to do with anything? Why is it hard to make a case for Boise based on proximity? They are less than 1000 miles away and Ohio St. fans would have to travel twice as far to get to Phoenix as Boise fans. Also, Boise played in the Fiesta Bowl just a couple of years ago and put on a great show when they beat Oklahoma. They'd make the trip to Phoenix. When they played in the 2007 game, the stadium was packed to capacity.

It's probably a moot point though. Ohio St. would be the bigger TV draw even if they wouldn't be a bigger draw attendance wise and as I said earlier, the only chance Boise would have of getting selected is if the selection belongs to the Fiesta. Any other would automatically chose Ohio St.

you're raised some interesting arguments in favor of boise state but completely ignored the fact they play on a blue field.

nice try.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What does Chicago to NY have to do with anything? Why is it hard to make a case for Boise based on proximity? They are less than 1000 miles away and Ohio St. fans would have to travel twice as far to get to Phoenix as Boise fans. Also, Boise played in the Fiesta Bowl just a couple of years ago and put on a great show when they beat Oklahoma. They'd make the trip to Phoenix. When they played in the 2007 game, the stadium was packed to capacity.

It's probably a moot point though. Ohio St. would be the bigger TV draw even if they wouldn't be a bigger draw attendance wise and as I said earlier, the only chance Boise would have of getting selected is if the selection belongs to the Fiesta. Any other would automatically chose Ohio St.

What does it have to do with it? Your theory that Idaho is somehow close enough to Phoenix to merit being a factor in who get selected is laughable. Saying that someone in Chicago would be close enough in proximity to NY to be a factor in selecting a team would get laughed at because everyone knows that they arent close yet they are closer than Boise to Phoenix. I'm not convinced that Ohio State would be a much bigger tv draw after the last few years of OSU bowl games.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by 31lengths

8 teams
Jan 1
Outback or Capital One 1-8
Cotton 2-7
Rose 3-6
Sugar 4-5

Jan 8
Orange 1-4
Fiesta 2-3

Jan 15
BCS Bowl 1-2

or 4 teams

Jan 1 (Rotating the 4 BCS bowls every year)
Orange 1-4
Fiesta 2-3

Jan 8
BCS Bowl 1-2

pretty good idea just bump back your dates: 8 teams, start the second weekedend in Dec and finish the first weekend in Jan.
4 teams play third weekend in Dec. and the first weekend in Jan. that would be a week off between conference championships and a week off before the NCG.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Idaho isnt real close to AZ

speaking from experience, Idaho is close to absolutely nothing. A 500 mile drive out here is considered pretty much nothing. I think KGs point is pretty valid and the Fiesta has had great success with both Utah and Boise State in recent history. And considering the amount of driving required in the Rocky Mountain States to get somewhere, Phoenix is a pretty easy destination from both Salt Lake and Boise.