Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Stakes Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-17-2015, 08:37 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 42,597
Default 8/29 (SAR): 146th Travers Day; 6 Graded Stake Undercard

6th (2:35) Personal Ensign S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 America Alvarado J 119 L
2 Sheer Drama Bravo J 121 L
3 Tiz Windy Leparoux J R 117 L
4 Stopchargingmaria Castellano J J 123 L
5 Got Lucky Ortiz I Jr 119 L
6 Untapable Velazquez J R 123 L



7th (3:10) Ballerina S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Sarah Sis Felix J E 115 L
2 La Verdad Ortiz J L 124 L
3 Merry Meadow Rosario J 121 L
4 Room for Me Velasquez C 117 L
5 Kiss to Remember Ortiz I Jr 117 L
6 Dame Dorothy Castellano J J 124 L
7 Unbridled Forever Velazquez J R 117 L
8 Street Story Lezcano J 119 L



8th (3:47) NYRA.com King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Commute Bridgmohan S X 117 L
2 Grand Bili Castellano J J 119 L
3 Competitive Edge Velazquez J R 121 L
4 Watershed Rosario J 117 L
5 Mr. Z Bravo J 117 L
6 Limousine Liberal Ortiz J L 117 L
7 Holy Boss Santana R Jr 121 L
8 Classy Class Stevens G L 117 L
9 Loose On the Town Lezcano J 117
10 March Ortiz I Jr 121 L
11 Runhappy Prado E S 117



9th (4:25) Priority One Jets Forego S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $700,000

1 Race Day Castellano J J 122 L
2 Takajo Cancel E 118 L
3 Bourbon Courage Rosario J 118 L
4 Wildcat Red Lezcano J 118 L
5 The Big Beast Velazquez J R 118 L
6 Tamarkuz Ortiz I Jr 122 L
7 Private Zone Pedroza M A 124 L
8 Run for Logistics Arroyo A S 118 L
9 Viva Majorca Leparoux J R 118 L
10 Salutos Amigos Velasquez C 120 L
11 Den's Legacy Santana R Jr 118 L
12 Falling Sky Ortiz J L 118 L



10th (5:04) Sword Dancer S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Imagining Ortiz I Jr 122 L
2 Flintshire (GB) Cheminaud V 122
3 Fixador (BRZ) Alvarado J 116 L
4 Red Rifle 122 L
5 Twilight Eclipse Rosario J 124 L
6 Messi (GER) Velazquez J R 116 L
7 Guardini (FR) Harley M 120 Blk-On FTL
8 War Dancer Lezcano J 118 L



11th (5:46) Travers S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,250,000

1 Upstart Ortiz I Jr 126 L
2 American Pharoah Espinoza V 126 L
3 Mid Ocean Franco M 126 L
4 Texas Red Desormeaux K J 126 L
5 Frammento Ortiz J L 126 L
6 Frosted Rosario J 126 L
7 Keen Ice Castellano J J 126 L
8 Tale of Verve Stevens G L 126 L
9 King of New York Leparoux J R 126 L
10 Smart Transition Velazquez J R 126 L



12th (6:20) Ketel One Ballston Spa S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Tepin Leparoux J R 123 L
2 Danza Cavallo (FR) Ortiz I Jr 117 L
3 My Miss Sophia Velazquez J R 121 L
4 Dacita (CHI) Castellano J J 121 FTL
5 Solid Appeal Saez L 121 L
6 Night Song Velasquez C 117 L
7 Kitten's Queen Ortiz J L 117 L
8 Coffee Clique Rosario J 121 L
9 New Providence (GB) Alvarado J 114 FTL
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans

Last edited by Kasept : 08-26-2015 at 07:50 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-21-2015, 09:55 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

I think Messi has the potential to be Main Sequence part 2. What a huge showdown with Flintshire shipping in. Adds a different type of flavor to a sure to be loaded card.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-22-2015, 07:10 AM
The Devil's Avatar
The Devil The Devil is offline
Monmouth Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Spanky's Place
Posts: 768
Default

What a great line up, AP or not I think it's time to put the Frosted on!
__________________
If you are not going to lead get out of the way!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-22-2015, 01:48 PM
tanner12oz tanner12oz is offline
Randwyck
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,412
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept View Post
SWORD DANCER

1. Fixador (Caramori)
2. Flintshire (Fabre)
3. Guardini Harley)
4. Imagining (McGaughey)
5. Messi (Motion)
6. Red Rifle (Pletcher)
7. Twilight Eclipse (Albertrani)
8. War Dancer (Mott)

9. V.E. Day (Jerkens)
STACKED!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-23-2015, 11:15 AM
tanner12oz tanner12oz is offline
Randwyck
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,412
Default

AP going to travers
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-23-2015, 11:17 AM
robfla robfla is offline
Calder Race Course
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Strategically between Calder and Gulfstream
Posts: 1,892
Default

@jazz3162: Saratoga here we come!!!!!!! #AmericanPharoah @JustinZayat @ZayatStables @AshleyZayat8 @glennw305 @TheNYRA
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-25-2015, 05:27 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 42,597
Default

TRAVERS

1. Upstart (Irad Ortiz Jr.) 15-1
2. American Pharoah (Victor Espinoza) 1-5
3. Mid Ocean (Manny Franco) 50-1
4. Texas Red (Kent Desormeaux) 8-1
5. Frammento (Jose Ortiz) 30-1
6. Frosted (Joel Rosario) 6-1
7. Keen Ice (Javier Castellano) 12-1
8. Tale of Verve (Gary Stevens) 30-1
9. King of New York (Julien Leparoux) 50-1
10. Smart Transition (John Velazquez) 20-1
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-25-2015, 05:39 PM
Danzig's Avatar
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,931
Default

Smart transition likes the track. Anyone considering him at all?
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-25-2015, 05:44 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig View Post
Smart transition likes the track. Anyone considering him at all?
Huge fan of his. Almost commented on him in my last post. Problem is, I like him a lot for next year or later this year. He seems to improve every race. But this is asking a lot. This is obviously a giant step forward. I will use him in the 3rd spot w/ Upstart, who I also believe ran a lot better then it seems last time out, and you can easily call that race a prep for this spot.
I don't like Texas Red at all. He got his prep before the Jim Dandy, Frosted didn't. Frosted was ridden like the only goal was to win the Travers. Felt to me like Rosario never really got after him in the Jim Dandy. I have to hope they make Texas Red the 2nd choice based on the 2yr old form and winning the Jim Dandy, then try getting him right out of the number with AP obviously on top. Good Luck.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-25-2015, 05:47 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 42,597
Default

No King's Bishop or Smarty Jones for Tekton.. Rear condylar fracture in Monday work and sidelined until next year..
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-25-2015, 06:55 PM
keithting's Avatar
keithting keithting is offline
Hollywood Park
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 959
Post

FOREGO

1. Bourbon Courage (Motion)
2. Private Zone (Navarro)
3. Race Day (Pletcher)
4. Salutos Amigos (Jacobson)
5. Tamarkuz KMc)
6. The Big Beast (Dutrow)
7. Viva Majorca (Wilkes)
8. Wildcat Red (Garoffalo)

9. Den's Legacy (Moquett)
10. Falling Sky (Wolfson)

Great lineup! Will be rooting for Wildcat Red, I always cheer for The Big Beast, and was at the SPA when Den's Legacy surprised all.

Luv it !!
__________________
"The fans are moving to the rail which can mean only one thing....It is NOW, Post Time" - Fred Capossela
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-25-2015, 08:49 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHT2004 View Post
Huge fan of his. Almost commented on him in my last post. Problem is, I like him a lot for next year or later this year. He seems to improve every race. But this is asking a lot. This is obviously a giant step forward. I will use him in the 3rd spot w/ Upstart, who I also believe ran a lot better then it seems last time out, and you can easily call that race a prep for this spot.
I don't like Texas Red at all. He got his prep before the Jim Dandy, Frosted didn't. Frosted was ridden like the only goal was to win the Travers. Felt to me like Rosario never really got after him in the Jim Dandy. I have to hope they make Texas Red the 2nd choice based on the 2yr old form and winning the Jim Dandy, then try getting him right out of the number with AP obviously on top. Good Luck.
I firmly believe Texas Red is a serious racehorse and even a BCC contender. I'm likely going big on an AP/Texas Red cold exacta.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-25-2015, 09:46 PM
Danzig's Avatar
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,931
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept View Post
No King's Bishop or Smarty Jones for Tekton.. Rear condylar fracture in Monday work and sidelined until next year..
Thats awful news. Hate to hear it.

Any news on japan?
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-26-2015, 07:47 AM
dalakhani's Avatar
dalakhani dalakhani is offline
Del Mar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Washington dc
Posts: 5,277
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cakes44 View Post
I firmly believe Texas Red is a serious racehorse and even a BCC contender. I'm likely going big on an AP/Texas Red cold exacta.
Maybe a $4 exacta?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-26-2015, 10:10 AM
SniperSB23 SniperSB23 is offline
Hialeah Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 6,086
Default

Any word what time American Pharoah is going to the track on Thursday? I know he's scheduled for 8:45 to 9:00 on Friday but would rather just make one trip up and catch him and Funny Cide.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-26-2015, 07:39 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dalakhani View Post
Maybe a $4 exacta?
Yep, it will be monster score...
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-27-2015, 11:27 AM
RolloTomasi's Avatar
RolloTomasi RolloTomasi is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,607
Default

Sure would like to have seen Mr. Z in the Travers and not the King's Bishop. There is no pace rival whatsoever to accompany American Pharoah in his next cakewalk. I presume either Joel Rosario or Kent Desormeaux (likely the latter) will send half-heartedly not wanting to make it easy for the Triple Crown winner while also knowing that their mount's best chance will be compromised. Frosted is starting to have the look of a dedicated bridesmaid, so I would prefer if he was sent up on the engine early. Desormeaux, however, has a penchant for taking early runs at odds-on favorites regardless of his own mount's chances, and given Texas Red's early presence in a slow-paced Jim Dandy, I foresee either a hustle from the gate or some ridiculous mid-race move that will lead to a hanging stretch run.

Meanwhile, as they round the far turn, if either gets close enough to AP to actually put some real pressure, expect Keen Ice to look like Concern circa '94 for about a 1/16th of a mile. Once they straighten up, he'll look like Hold Me Back circa '09.

The silver lining in all this is that AP will be the first horse to win the top 5 races in NA for 3yos (at least since the creation of the Haskell). I think the only Triple Crown winner to also take down the Travers was Whirlaway in 1941 (Affirmed won but was DQ'd for sawing off Alydar).
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-27-2015, 01:28 PM
freddymo freddymo is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,085
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RolloTomasi View Post
Sure would like to have seen Mr. Z in the Travers and not the King's Bishop. There is no pace rival whatsoever to accompany American Pharoah in his next cakewalk. I presume either Joel Rosario or Kent Desormeaux (likely the latter) will send half-heartedly not wanting to make it easy for the Triple Crown winner while also knowing that their mount's best chance will be compromised. Frosted is starting to have the look of a dedicated bridesmaid, so I would prefer if he was sent up on the engine early. Desormeaux, however, has a penchant for taking early runs at odds-on favorites regardless of his own mount's chances, and given Texas Red's early presence in a slow-paced Jim Dandy, I foresee either a hustle from the gate or some ridiculous mid-race move that will lead to a hanging stretch run.

Meanwhile, as they round the far turn, if either gets close enough to AP to actually put some real pressure, expect Keen Ice to look like Concern circa '94 for about a 1/16th of a mile. Once they straighten up, he'll look like Hold Me Back circa '09.

The silver lining in all this is that AP will be the first horse to win the top 5 races in NA for 3yos (at least since the creation of the Haskell). I think the only Triple Crown winner to also take down the Travers was Whirlaway in 1941 (Affirmed won but was DQ'd for sawing off Alydar).
If you subscribe to CJ's pace figs, the pace in the Haskell was extremely fast probably meaning the end to the career of Competitive Edge circa TAP 2000-2015. If you subscribe to CJ's pace figs the brilliant Beholder wouldnt/couldn't get a sniff of AP's butt crack without succumbing to the same fate as others.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-27-2015, 06:48 PM
RolloTomasi's Avatar
RolloTomasi RolloTomasi is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,607
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddymo View Post
If you subscribe to CJ's pace figs, the pace in the Haskell was extremely fast probably meaning the end to the career of Competitive Edge circa TAP 2000-2015. If you subscribe to CJ's pace figs the brilliant Beholder wouldnt/couldn't get a sniff of AP's butt crack without succumbing to the same fate as others.
Not sure what the Haskell or Beholder has to do with the Travers. With no rival with even a hint of front-running speed, it is unlikely American Pharoah will have to go as fast early in the Travers as he did in the Haskell (hence the "cakewalk").

At the very least, presuming he gets to run a steady race (as opposed to the "run them off their feet" manner used at middle distances), we will see if AP can match or better Beholder's figure at the classic distance of 10f. I'm not convinced Beholder can uncork a race like the Pacific Classic every time out, but aren't AP's Derby and Belmont figures just a tick behind that race?
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-29-2015, 01:54 PM
Left Bank's Avatar
Left Bank Left Bank is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Southern Canada
Posts: 1,562
Default

What I find disturbing is the entries by 3 very reputable trainers. Maybe this would explain their low win percentages at Saratoga.

Last edited by Left Bank : 08-29-2015 at 04:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.