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Old 02-20-2012, 05:26 AM
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Default 2/25 (FG): Risen Star (G2), Mineshaft, Rachel, FG H. (G3's)

4th (1:32) Gentilly S.

About 1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $60,000

1 Zip Motion Castellano J J 116 L
2 Four Joes Bridgmohan S X 116 L
3 Benwill Albarado R J 116 L
4 Raiseanothergator Graham J 116 L
5 Wits End Eramia R E 116 L
6 Hud's Rebellion Bridgmohan J V 116 L
7 Freddie One Bite Napravnik R 116 L
8 Silent Punch Clark K D 116 L
9 Look At the Time Lanerie C J 116 L
10 One Survivor Mena M 116 L
11 Validfromthegitgo McMahon C 116 L
12 Beckyboy Sellers S J 116 L
13 Geaux Wando Diego I V 116 L



6th (2:28) Fair Grounds H. (G3)

About 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Derby Kitten Napravnik R 114 L
2 Achaemenes Zimmerman R 114 L
3 Mr. Vegas Mena M 118 L
4 Gleam of Hope Graham J 116 L
5 Strike Impact Castellano J J 115 L
6 Dubious Miss Lanerie C J 116 L
7 Uptowncharlybrown Lopez P 113 L
8 Mister Marti Gras Bridgmohan S X 117 L
9 Ioya Bigtime Albarado R J 115 L
10 Smart Bid Prado E S 121 L



7th (2:58) Rachel Alexandra S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Believe You Can Napravnik R 122 L
2 Avie's Sense Graham J 116 L
3 Inny Minnie Bridgmohan S X 116 L
4 Table Three Ten Castellano J J 116 L
5 Summer Applause Albarado R J 118 L
6 Applauding Sellers S J 116 L
7 Annaclone Mena M 116 L



9th (3:55) Mineshaft H. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Mister Marti Gras Bridgmohan S X 118 L
2 Alma d'Oro Castellano J J 119 L
3 Tres Borrachos Prado E S 121 L
4 Cool Blue Red Hot Cruz M R 116 L
5 Nates Mineshaft Campbell J M 113 L
6 Thiskyhasnolimit Sellers S J 118 L
7 Pants On Fire Napravnik R 116 L
8 Fast Alex Albarado R J 119 L
9 Gladding Graham J 117 L



10th (4:25) Colonel Power S.

About 5 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $75,000

1 Sweetsouthernmoon Mena M 116 L
2 Southern Style Prado E S 116 Blk-On L
3 Cactus Son Sellers S J 118 L
4 Lonesome Street Castellano J J 116 L
5 Heir Joe Albarado R J 116 L
6 Zeb Napravnik R 118 L
7 Chamberlain Bridge Theriot H J II 122 L
8 Country Day Graham J 116 L
9 Uno Ducksy Eramia R E 116 L
10 Joe Hollywood Bridgmohan S X 116 L
11 Smokethruakeyhole Zimmerman R 116 L



11th (4:55) Risen Star S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

3 Afford Bridgmohan S X 116 L
4 Optimizer Marquez C H Jr 116 L
1 Mr. Bowling Albarado R J 120 L
5 Z Dager Sellers S J 116 L
6 Ted's Folly Zimmerman R 120 L
2 Adena's Chance Eramia R E 116 L
2B Hero of Order Graham J 116 L
7 El Padrino Castellano J J 116 L
1A Mark Valeski Napravnik R 116 L
8 Shared Property Goncalves L R 120 L
9 Tizanexpense Mena M 116 L

A-Coupled: Mr. Bowling and Mark Valeski
B-Coupled: Adena's Chance and Hero of Order



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Old 02-20-2012, 04:19 PM
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Applauding will scratch - again.

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Old 02-20-2012, 04:23 PM
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Pretty soft group for 300k in the Risen Star. El Padrino is supposed to crush that field if hes as good as some around here think he is.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:44 PM
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I think El Padrino will be a good gauge on how to proceed with some of these Pletcher horses as they leave Florida.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:07 PM
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I think El Padrino will be a good gauge on how to proceed with some of these Pletcher horses as they leave Florida.
Really? I don't. To me he's not a flash in the pan. Plus, this Risen Star is very weak. He can easily win this race convincingly and other Pletcher horses fall by the wayside.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:19 PM
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Really? I don't. To me he's not a flash in the pan. Plus, this Risen Star is very weak. He can easily win this race convincingly and other Pletcher horses fall by the wayside.
I can't argue with any of this. I just wanted to play both sides of the fence in case he runs poorly.

All kidding aside, you're right that he can (and should) easily win. I won't be betting against him, but I'm also not looking to play him at short odds on what to me can be a quirky main track. And while I agree he isn't a flash in the pan like some of the others, I've been fooled (a lot) in the past by horses like him.

Like I said, I'm just trying to be right either way.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:44 PM
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Pants On Fire, Gladding, and Cool Blue Red Hot will miss the Mineshaft.

http://www.drf.com/news/fair-grounds...shaft-handicap
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:53 AM
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I thought Take Charge Indy might show up in the Risen Star. He would be around 5-2 and El Padrino 7-5?? I thought they both moved up in the slop last time, but going forward I like Take Charge Indy much more. This spot seems softer then the Tampa Bay Derby where he is likely to show up next.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:43 PM
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Take Charge Indy has not had a published work since that Allowance Race. At this point that is not good.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:15 PM
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Nice fields and great betting races!

I'm not sold on El Padrino. Maybe that's foolish.

Hoping Mr. Bowling does well but Shared Property is the one I keep looking at...

The two Dorochenko runners? Ummm, why are they here?
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:09 PM
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I was hoping El Padrino would lose.Rosie and Mark Valeski gave it one hell of a shot!
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:58 PM
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On paper El Padrino should have crushed them. He crushed all but Mark Valeski who was dead game inside the winner while exchanging contact. While El Padrino may be a nice one he's not yet any kind of sensation in my book. Last fall he had some serious work on his legs before the Remsen, which I think he may have been rushed to make. His slop return was a monster but he's bred to move up on wet going and did. Maybe he bounced today and will run a monster next time.
Mark Valeski impressed me in defeat, moving up in class and getting a "gut check" race. When it come to the Derby, I like to see horses looked in the eye (figuratively and literally) and not back down. I don't know if he's going to prove on par with the top of the clas, but he showed class today.
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Old 02-25-2012, 06:12 PM
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Speaking of El Padrino's legs, I haven't watched the replay, but didn't he stay on his left lead way too long?
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Old 02-25-2012, 06:27 PM
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excelent time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-25-2012, 06:54 PM
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excelent time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can also note that he went only about 2 lengths faster than the 3yo fillies in the Rachel Alexandra did at the same distance.

The horse who finished 4th by 6 lengths took 9 tries to break his maiden and was 87-to-1 as a part-of-entry.

It was an acceptable performance for a Top 5 Derby contender because the come-home time was fairly strong and the trip the winner had is a tougher one at Fairgrounds (probably the most inside friendly dirt track in the entire country meet in and meet out over the last couple years) than at other tracks.

However...he's going to have to run a whole lot better than that to get a blanket of roses ... and Pletcher 3yo's who start early in Florida and move-up are lucky to be holding form by May...let alone breaking through it. Also, the sire of this horse raced just six times and gets a lot of unsound horses .. the dam only raced once ... as last year showed so glaringly, health is more important than anything with these young and underraced horses who appear more and more fragile as a group all the time.
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:28 PM
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Speaking of health...it might be a good idea for the new connections to give Table Three Ten a few months off and point her to a summer campaign.

She was so impressive in her debut as a speed-sprinter for Stidham. She reportedly got sick and missed a few weeks of training. She unimpressively won her comeback for Motion at 3-to-5 odds.

This is what the clocker reports wrote about her workout before todays race:

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Finish: 1:02.23s - NAMASKARA and TABLE THREE TEN worked from the pole on the main. Surprisingly Nama was going better of the two and Ten was being pushed a bit. Went in 50 flat and 102.1.
The weeks of missed training due to illness... having to be pushed to keep up with a plug like Namaskara in her most recent workout ... and now getting beat 7+ lengths in the Rachel Alexandra while showing none of her speed. No sense ruining a good prospect trying to make the Kentucky Oaks.
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Also, the sire of this horse raced just six times and gets a lot of unsound horses .. the dam only raced once ... as last year showed so glaringly, health is more important than anything with these young and underraced horses who appear more and more fragile as a group all the time.
Speaking of El Padrino's sire Pulpit and Pletcher ... there was a gruesome breakdown of a Pletcher/Pulpit horse in a $7,500 N2L claiming race in the last at AQU today.

Hopefully Cornilio Velasquez is ok. He went down very hard and took someone else with him.
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:05 PM
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Nates Mineshaft 99
Summer Applause 97
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Has anybody heard what happened to Thiskyhasnolimit in the Mineshaft?
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