AZ Congresswoman in critical condition after shooting

[SOREHOOF]

If we could only repeal the 1'st and 2'nd Amendments this kind of thing would never happen.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If we could only repeal the 1'st and 2'nd Amendments this kind of thing would never happen.

This is a job for Captain Hindsight!

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I was being sarcastic!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

No Princess..I think not. And you know that

just one example, from a liberal blog:

We’ve been watching as the Republican Party has been losing its collective mind. With the merger of the Tea Party and the GOP, we’re seeing more and more of the nuts getting the GOP nomination in prominent Senate, House and Governor races.

That’s emboldening the nuts in the GOP who already hold office. The latest case is GOP Representative Louie Gohmert and his “terror baby” allegations. Watch as Anderson Cooper gives him a forum and helps him make a fool of himself.

that was an easy search.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I was being sarcastic!

i was hoping that was the case!

[SOREHOOF]

If you think the Tea Party approves of the Republican Party you are sadly mistaken.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

This is a job for Captain Hindsight!

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

I agree with Pima Co. Sheriff Dupnik who said this:

"I think the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business and what (we) see on TV and how our youngsters are being raised, that this has not become the nice United States of America that most of us grew up in. And I think it's time that we do the soul-searching," the sheriff said.

Full article,from Fox news even:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...e-free-speech/

Is this the nice America that most of us grew up in?

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/hammer/73/index.html

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If you think the Tea Party approves of the Republican Party you are sadly mistaken.

The Tea Party IS the Republican Party. Bought and paid for by GOP interests. That grass roots is all astroturf, financed by the Koch brothers.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

except this nut was a liberal left-wing!

"​A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...d_shooter.php#

So as it turns out Palin had NOTHING to do with this but never let the truth stand in the way of 'progression'.

From Politico:

"The feds are reportedly probing whether shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner has ties to an anti-Semitic, anti-government hate group that has ads for tea party organizations on its website."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1AbRhMr13

Look, no one has any idea what this guy's politics are, or if they're anything remotely resembling a coherent ideology. What is very clear is that one side is using an abundance of violent rhetoric. Some highlights:

I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us 'having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,' and the people -- we the people -- are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country."
~Michele Bachmann

"Don’t retreat. Instead — reload!"
~Sarah Palin

"I hope that's not where we're going, but you know if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."
~Sharon Angle

''Our nation was founded on violence. The option is on the table. I don't think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms.''
—Tea Party-backed Texas GOP congressional candidate Stephen Broden

''I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out.''
—Glenn Beck, May 17, 2005

And these aren't odd jobs who post comments on blogs, these are candidates for national office and hosts of national television programs, with huge audiences. You just don't see anyone with a comparable presence on the left (candidates for national office, or hosting a national tv program) spouting this kind of stuff. There is no "both sides are just as bad" equivalency. There isn't. Prominent Democrats just don't talk like this. They don't.

As one of my favorite bloggers (a former Republican who left the party after Terry Schiavo) said, "Republicans need to stop whipping up crazy people with violent political rhetoric. This is really not a hard concept to follow. There are crazy people out there. Stop egging them on."

Originally Posted by merasmag

i am verrrry far left in my politics...i once accused abbie hoffman to his face of being a sell-out...so

take this fwiw

this lady is not against gun ownership...i realize she is a politician and wanted to keep her job but there is no way around the fact she knew some of her votes might allow nuts to have guns

that's arizona for you though

Yep, we are the wild west. What a shame. Could have happened anywhere they sell guns.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

From Politico:

"The feds are reportedly probing whether shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner has ties to an anti-Semitic, anti-government hate group that has ads for tea party organizations on its website."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1AbRhMr13

Look, no one has any idea what this guy's politics are, or if they're anything remotely resembling a coherent ideology. What is very clear is that one side is using an abundance of violent rhetoric."

Memories are short. And yes his politics matter ESPECIALLY with the left trying to create their poster-boy for everything republican when in fact his friends are calling him left wing. As far as I've read there are no indications of him adhering to the tea party or any other group for that matter. We will find the entire story evenually. I don’t think Palin wants anyone killed much more a Republican Appointed Federal Judge who has come out for stronger enforcement against illegals and a innocent six-year-old girl. If they would listen to his friends they'd find these words are more likely to have caused the murders than anything spoken by Palin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD5NqQR7nOc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigzBClEk8

[OldDog]

RE: "Targets"

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../01/028104.php

[Princess Doreen]

In 2006 a Democrat in Arizona used the crosshairs ad campaign in his effort to unseat a Republican.

http://www.intellectualconservative....in-crosshairs/

I can't believe that this tragedy is now fodder for yet more hatred going on between the parties.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Ah, yes, freedom of speech is very much not in favor by some here at DT.

Danzig already pointed out how ludicrous your statement was here, but seriously....what the hell are you talking about? The first amendment right to "freedom of speech" protects citizens from the government depriving a citizen of the right of "freedom of speech." Do you actually think it also protects you from being called crazy because of something you posted on a horse racing message board? You don't really think that....do you?

[miraja2]

Like most people I have no freaking idea what motivated the shooter. It might be worth considering however that when you get to the fringes of the anti-government movement, the line between "left-wing" and "right-wing" get rather blurry. Radicals often move pretty fluidly from hardcore marxism (the "left") to hardcore anarchism (the "right") in their attempts to bring down the government (or whatever their personal motive might be). Labels are therefore often inaccurate or misleading, and in my opinion make it even more ridiculous for anyone on either side to try to score cheap partisan political points off of the incident.

[fpsoxfan]

Politicizing this is simply a joke. People died at the hands of a gutless nut!
He is another example of a person who probably received a large amount of undeserved self-esteem builders. This guy had red flags all over him as he could not cope with life in general. Hopefully, justice will give this man what he really needs. My thoughts are with the families of the innocent victims in this tragedy.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Danzig already pointed out how ludicrous your statement was here, but seriously....what the hell are you talking about? The first amendment right to "freedom of speech" protects citizens from the government depriving a citizen of the right of "freedom of speech." Do you actually think it also protects you from being called crazy because of something you posted on a horse racing message board? You don't really think that....do you?

Oh, please - I thought the eyeroll icon was being overused, but I see I should have included it in my response. Sure people are free to say what they wish. I would think, however, that a difference of opinion would be followed by civil discourse rather than labeling someone nuts or full of it because they have a differing opinion - even on a horse racing board.

[ArlJim78]

It's high time to quell the hateful violent rhetoric. Let's start at the top.

"I think it's tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers, unless the hostage gets harmed. In this case the hostage is the American people and I was not willing to see them get harmed," Obama on keeping taxes from increasing, December 6, 2010

"A Republican majority in Congress would mean "hand-to-hand combat" on Capitol Hill for the next two years, threatening policies Democrats have enacted to stabilize the economy," Obama, October 6, 2010

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama in July 2008

"Here's the problem: It's almost like they've got -- they've got a bomb strapped to them and they've got their hand on the trigger. You don't want them to blow up. But you've got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger." Obama on banks, March 2009

"I want you to argue with them and get in their face!" Barack Obama, September 2008

“We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.” Obama to Latinos, October 2010

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Obama on ACORN Mobs, March 2010

“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“ Obama on the private sector, June 2010