7/28 (SAR): Lake George S. (G2)

[GPK]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There are a number of reasons that everyone betting the Lake George should watch the replay of the Regret.

#1 - To see why Julien Leparoux is a vastly superior turf rider to Jose Lezcano, who fought with Queen of the Creek during the first 5 furlongs of that race. Leparoux rode her to perfection this afternoon.

#2 - To see how dreadful Albarado's ride on Dynazaper was. There was absolutely no reason to tackle Go Ask Alex with 5/16ths to go. Of course, then he thinks he's done just inside the eighth pole so he basically stands up before realizing that he might be able to pick up a check, so he flags her a few times with the whip. Leparoux getting back on her is a colossally important rider change.

During all of this, one horse capitalized on the multiple moves that were made into the pacesetter, and that was Caminadora. Could she run well again? Perhaps, but the whole wedding-funeral racing adage is definitely applicable.

NT

Vastly superior? That's a little strong, don't you think Nick?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by GPK

Vastly superior? That's a little strong, don't you think Nick?

Kev-

I like Lezcano but I feel like the difference between the two of them is consistency. Leparoux is generally always going to do what will work for a turf horse. Lezcano is a bit more inconsistent and one of his serious issues is with getting horses to relax, something Leparoux excels at. It's not that I think Lezcano is bad and Leparoux good, I think Lezcano is good and Leparoux is excellent.

Lezcano needs to take tomorrow and relax and get a deep breath because the first four days looked a lot like his entire 2009 Saratoga.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Kev-

I like Lezcano but I feel like the difference between the two of them is consistency. Leparoux is generally always going to do what will work for a turf horse. Lezcano is a bit more inconsistent and one of his serious issues is with getting horses to relax, something Leparoux excels at. It's not that I think Lezcano is bad and Leparoux good, I think Lezcano is good and Leparoux is excellent.

Lezcano needs to take tomorrow and relax and get a deep breath because the first four days looked a lot like his entire 2009 Saratoga.

NT

IMO Lezcano is very good, but he tends to struggle in big spots. Very good is nice though. Leparoux is young and already one of the best, he is easily top 5 in the US, and one could argue top 3.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Kev-

I like Lezcano but I feel like the difference between the two of them is consistency. Leparoux is generally always going to do what will work for a turf horse. Lezcano is a bit more inconsistent and one of his serious issues is with getting horses to relax, something Leparoux excels at. It's not that I think Lezcano is bad and Leparoux good, I think Lezcano is good and Leparoux is excellent.

Lezcano needs to take tomorrow and relax and get a deep breath because the first four days looked a lot like his entire 2009 Saratoga.

NT

He needs to pretend like its Jan. and he is at Gulfstream. Maybe he is trying to hard because it is Saratoga?

I do agree that Lep is better and more consistent on the turf than Lezcano...and I'm a huge fan of Lezcano. The frog is just one of those jocks I can never catch. Anytime I bet a horse he is on, it seems like I get one of those rides where he is just a touch too cute trying to time getting up at the wire...only to lose by a head. He used to drive me insane.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by GPK

He needs to pretend like its Jan. and he is at Gulfstream. Maybe he is trying to hard because it is Saratoga?

I do agree that Lep is better and more consistent on the turf than Lezcano...and I'm a huge fan of Lezcano. The frog is just one of those jocks I can never catch. Anytime I bet a horse he is on, it seems like I get one of those rides where he is just a touch too cute trying to time getting up at the wire...only to lose by a head. He used to drive me insane.

Same with me Kev.........when I leave him off he wins and when I bet him I usuallyend up muttering derogatory french remarks.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Kev-

I like Lezcano but I feel like the difference between the two of them is consistency. Leparoux is generally always going to do what will work for a turf horse. Lezcano is a bit more inconsistent and one of his serious issues is with getting horses to relax, something Leparoux excels at. It's not that I think Lezcano is bad and Leparoux good, I think Lezcano is good and Leparoux is excellent.

Lezcano needs to take tomorrow and relax and get a deep breath because the first four days looked a lot like his entire 2009 Saratoga.

NT

To get a sense of how 'good' Leparoux (and Maker) is, one need only watch his ride on Headache, on 7/02. Reminds me of the way a farmer would ride his (lazy) mule. And for Lezcano, I just don't get what people see in his riding. He's decidedly MEDIOCRE. He rides well when he falls into a trip; nothing more, nothing less.

I mean, it's really time these guys started taking their jobs more seriously and put in some significant time watching races.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

To get a sense of how 'good' Leparoux (and Maker) is, one need only watch his ride on Headache, on 7/02. Reminds me of the way a farmer would ride his (lazy) mule. And for Lezcano, I just don't get what people see in his riding. He's decidedly MEDIOCRE. He rides well when he falls into a trip; nothing more, nothing less.

I mean, it's really time these guys started taking their jobs more seriously and put in some significant time watching races.

He falls into an awful lot of trips.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

To get a sense of how 'good' Leparoux (and Maker) is, one need only watch his ride on Headache, on 7/02. Reminds me of the way a farmer would ride his (lazy) mule. And for Lezcano, I just don't get what people see in his riding. He's decidedly MEDIOCRE. He rides well when he falls into a trip; nothing more, nothing less.

I mean, it's really time these guys started taking their jobs more seriously and put in some significant time watching races.

He made up for the Headache ride with a win in a 100k stake on him on Saturday.

If Leparoux has a flaw it's that he's overly patient at times. Have you watched the Regret again? It's a gem from Albarado, who I know is one of your favorites.

NT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He made up for the Headache ride with a win in a 100k stake on him on Saturday.

If Leparoux has a flaw it's that he's overly patient at times. Have you watched the Regret again? It's a gem from Albarado, who I know is one of your favorites.

NT

Well, he didn't make it up to me, as I'm not following ELP (I assume that's where he ran) and I don't keep a bet back list.

I haven't watched the Regret; and I won't. It's a particular 'type' of race that never yields predictable betback results. (It's similar to the way that all the cyclists that finish with the peloton get the same final time for the race.) I do know, however, that the winner is not a horse I want back. From the looks of the chart, there's really nothing that Albarado could have done (in the conventional sense that almost all jocks ride) to win that race --- he was going to get gobbled up by the flow inevitably.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Well, he didn't make it up to me, as I'm not following ELP (I assume that's where he ran) and I don't keep a bet back list.

I haven't watched the Regret; and I won't. It's a particular 'type' of race that never yields predictable betback results. (It's similar to the way that all the cyclists that finish with the peloton get the same final time for the race.) I do know, however, that the winner is not a horse I want back. From the looks of the chart, there's really nothing that Albarado could have done (in the conventional sense that almost all jocks ride) to win that race --- he was going to get gobbled up by the flow inevitably.

you can get a good feel of the race just from the chart, better than watching? i guess based on what the chartcaller put that the winner was simply the beneficiary of a very good trip? interesting.

[ateamstupid]

I wouldn't throw out the Canadian horse. House of Grace is a terrible bet at her M/L or under. The race appears to set up for Bay to Bay regardless.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

To get a sense of how 'good' Leparoux (and Maker) is, one need only watch his ride on Headache, on 7/02. Reminds me of the way a farmer would ride his (lazy) mule. And for Lezcano, I just don't get what people see in his riding. He's decidedly MEDIOCRE. He rides well when he falls into a trip; nothing more, nothing less.

I mean, it's really time these guys started taking their jobs more seriously and put in some significant time watching races.

This from the same guy that says Lezcano is decidely MEDIOCRE

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37110

[tiggerv]

I would appreciate a 1000 word essay from Drugs on the strength of German racing.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

I would appreciate a 1000 word essay from Drugs on the strength of German racing.

Im sure hes working on it now.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

To get a sense of how 'good' Leparoux (and Maker) is, one need only watch his ride on Headache, on 7/02. Reminds me of the way a farmer would ride his (lazy) mule. And for Lezcano, I just don't get what people see in his riding. He's decidedly MEDIOCRE. He rides well when he falls into a trip; nothing more, nothing less.

I mean, it's really time these guys started taking their jobs more seriously and put in some significant time watching races.

I know you watch jocks very closely. I'd be interested in seeing your current top 5 riders on the turf.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I know you watch jocks very closely. I'd be interested in seeing your current top 5 riders on the turf.

I could not resist.

Ramon
Julian
Javier
Alan
Kent


Honestly, I dont care what order, maybe Ramon has the edge, but its really not by much. The first 4 of late might have seperated from Kent latley, but he is still capable.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I could not resist.

Ramon
Julian
Javier
Alan
Kent


Honestly, I dont care what order, maybe Ramon has the edge, but its really not by much. The first 4 of late might have seperated from Kent latley, but he is still capable.

I laughed.