St. Trinians out till at least November

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Eristic would suffice, I hate big words.

i will keep that in mind in the future, thanks.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

The problem here is if Garcia took a gamble and went towards the rail,

He started from friggen post #2 ... how is going to the rail and saving ground on the 1st turn a big gamble? - if he wanted to try to go Calvin Borel and come up the rail on the 2nd turn - that might have been a gamble.

Here's an example of St. Trinians good gate speed:



This is the race where she beat Life is Sweet. She is on the lead 12 jumps into the race. The same point in the race where she was trailing the entire field including Zenyatta after breaking into the side of the gate and stumbling.


And - if you want to better understand how Joel Rosario has profitable ROI numbers with routers for his life - and how Garcia loses more than takeout - watch this ride Rosario gave St. Trinians in the beatdown of Life is Sweet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onFE1_3hSQ4

Her excellent natural speed takes her to the lead in the first few jumps. Rosario drops the anchor and gets her to rate kindly while saving all the ground through the 1st turn ... instead of looming up 4 to 5 the entire way around the far turn Rosario stays patient and keeps her poised behind a pack of four just like Zenyatta was in the '10 Vanity .. and once Rosario lets her go Life Is Sweet doesn't have a prayer in the world.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

11.60 final 1/8th, I may be off by .001 using straight memory from work. Missing the point award.

FIFY.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

FIFY.

Fail.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He started from friggen post #2 ... how is going to the rail and saving ground on the 1st turn a big gamble? - if he wanted to try to go Calvin Borel and come up the rail on the 2nd turn - that might have been a gamble.

Here's an example of St. Trinians good gate speed:



This is the race where she beat Life is Sweet. She is on the lead 12 jumps into the race. The same point in the race where she was trailing the entire field including Zenyatta after breaking into the side of the gate and stumbling.


And - if you want to better understand how Joel Rosario has profitable ROI numbers with routers for his life - and how Garcia loses more than takeout - watch this ride Rosario gave St. Trinians in the beatdown of Life is Sweet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onFE1_3hSQ4

Her excellent natural speed takes her to the lead in the first few jumps. Rosario drops the anchor and gets her to rate kindly while saving all the ground through the 1st turn ... instead of looming up 4 to 5 the entire way around the far turn Rosario stays patient and keeps her poised behind a pack of four just like Zenyatta was in the '10 Vanity .. and once Rosario lets her go Life Is Sweet doesn't have a prayer in the world.

We don't know if it would have made a difference, that's the thing. It would be fine if the majority of, if not all of your posts regarding Zenyatta's races were not included with the caption of "IF". If Rosario rode instead of Garcia, If she went 1-3 wide as opposed to perhaps 4 on the 1st turn, if they rode her with more speed, which most would condede is not as effective on rubber than on dirt, btw there's a difference of running her from 1 1/16th to 1 1/8th...The whole argument is based on if's, I guess until she losses or rather IF she losses, we can invent any scenario to try to beat her. All you have accomplished in my opinion is make the case it would take a great amount of luck, a perfect trip that would make Arcaro proud, and or a perfect storm of events to defeat Zenyatta. IF that day comes, maybe you can finally bask that she may be just the best managed and or lucky horse in history. But in the world of IF, okay I will open my mind and say IF the things you said did happen, then maybe the result would have been different. I wouldn't put the house on it though.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Fail.

Take it up with Crist then, that number came straight from his blog.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I feel like I'm dealing with one of those 'pretty horsey' horsey lover ladies who've never made a bet in their life.

I know CSC ... sound handicapping and all common sense go out the window when Zenyatta is involved. She just wins. It doesn't matter if she's racing 4K claimers at Thistle Downs or if she's racing against race cars in the Brickyard 500. She just wins.

If she ran against Caller One and Xtra Heat in a 2 furlong sprint race - she'd just get up. If she raced against a space shuttle to the moon - she'd grow wings and get to the moon a length in front. If she raced against the San Diego Charger cheerleaders .. she'd get up by 2 lengths in hand.

If she raced on a wet dirt track off of a layoff .. she'd win If they let her run. If she came to New York where her trainer has never won a race and has had a few favorites flop she'd win.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I feel like I'm dealing with one of those 'pretty horsey' horsey lover ladies who've never made a bet in their life.

I know CSC ... sound handicapping and all common sense go out the window when Zenyatta is involved. She just wins. It doesn't matter if she's racing 4K claimers at Thistle Downs or if she's racing against race cars in the Brickyard 500. She just wins.

Obfuscatation, if this is what this conversation has come to, the ol Zenyatta so called pro faction can't think rationally. Thanks I have wasted half my day. Goodluck, alot of wasted breath on my part. Keep hoping though, there's always her next race, I hear Bailey is coming out of retirement.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Obfuscatation, if this is what this conversation has come to, the ol Zenyatta so called pro faction can't think rationally. Thanks I have wasted half my day. Goodluck, alot of wasted breath on my part. Keep hoping though, there's always her next race, I hear Bailey is coming out of retirement.

pot, meet kettle. you just said in another thread that rachel fanclub members don't use logic.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

pot, meet kettle. you just said in another thread that rachel fanclub members don't use logic.

It seems some pot's are bigger then my lil kettle.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by CSC

We don't know if it would have made a difference, that's the thing. It would be fine if the majority of, if not all of your posts regarding Zenyatta's races were not included with the caption of "IF". If Rosario rode instead of Garcia, If she went 1-3 wide as opposed to perhaps 4 on the 1st turn, if they rode her with more speed, which most would condede is not as effective on rubber than on dirt, btw there's a difference of running her from 1 1/16th to 1 1/8th...The whole argument is based on if's, I guess until she losses or rather IF she losses, we can invent any scenario to try to beat her. All you have accomplished in my opinion is make the case it would take a great amount of luck, a perfect trip that would make Arcaro proud, and or a perfect storm of events to defeat Zenyatta. IF that day comes, maybe you can finally bask that she may be just the best managed and or lucky horse in history. But in the world of IF, okay I will open my mind and say IF the things you said did happen, then maybe the result would have been different. I wouldn't put the house on it though.

The only "IF" that we could be sure of was that Trinians would have won "IF" Zenyatta didn't run.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

The only "IF" that we could be sure of was that Trinians would have won "IF" Zenyatta didn't run.

Or "If you two only had a brain"

Even a shared brain.