McKee Blew it!

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on do you really want to compare Bernardini and Lawyer Ron.

Did I say anything that wasn't true?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Did I say anything that wasn't true?

That tired horse thing is a bunch of ****. If sweetnorthensaint was so "tired" as you say, how come he ran such a nice fig in the preakness?

How about BGC? Correct me if im wrong but the fig in the travers was close to his best.

Has Lawyer Ron beaten anything at all...even "tired" horses?

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dude, he can only beat who is entered against him. His 1st race aside, he has defeated EVERY horse he has faced, easily. I'll ask again, you can't really be seriously comparing the two right? Because that might just be the most asinine thing I have heard on this board yet.

Bernardini is better, no doubt, but it's not out of the question to put Lawyer Ron in the Top 3yo's...

I am editing this, because I respect Kasept, I apologize to any it offended...

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not talking down, just proving you wrong. I guess he is in the top ten three year olds right now, but I seriously doubt he's scaring anyone away. Bernardini scares people away. Plain and simple.

If you are proving me wrong how can you use argue the same thing for one and not the other...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

If you are proving me wrong how can you use argue the same thing for one and not the other...

Because Bernardini has actually beaten good horses. Your argument is one that you cannot prove thus it is very weak. There is no data supporting what you say.

I ask you again...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I ask you again...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

enough horses to put him firmly in the top ten for earnings this year.

[Danzig]

1 Lava Man 6 6 0 0 $2,470,000
2 Barbaro 5 4 0 0 $2,203,200
3 Bernardini 6 5 0 0 $1,610,480
4 Bluegrass Cat 7 2 4 0 $1,547,500
5 Lawyer Ron 7 5 1 0 $1,340,800
6 Showing Up 7 5 0 1 $1,130,500
7 Fleet Indian 5 5 0 0 $1,113,720
8 Cacique 6 2 3 0 $994,432
9 Invasor 3 3 0 0 $990,000
10 Wait a While 7 4 1 2 $880,807

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

1 Lava Man 6 6 0 0 $2,470,000
2 Barbaro 5 4 0 0 $2,203,200
3 Bernardini 6 5 0 0 $1,610,480
4 Bluegrass Cat 7 2 4 0 $1,547,500
5 Lawyer Ron 7 5 1 0 $1,340,800
6 Showing Up 7 5 0 1 $1,130,500
7 Fleet Indian 5 5 0 0 $1,113,720
8 Cacique 6 2 3 0 $994,432
9 Invasor 3 3 0 0 $990,000
10 Wait a While 7 4 1 2 $880,807

Its nice to be in those three year old restricted races and have all of the races you run in come up light. A horse can win a lot of money.

The connections should be applauded for a well run campaign. Winning 1.3 and not beating good horses is a hell of an accomplishment.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This really proves nothing though because the purses are so high for the 3 year olds stakes at Oaklawn. Purse value does not necessarily indicate talent in the race. Lawyer Ron was by far the most talented horse to come out of Oaklawn this year, but the second was Steppenwolfer, who, sorry is a second tier 3 year old. He did suck up for third in the Derby, but he was beat how many?

thing is, just like every other year, anyone can come to arkansas. purses are high everywhere for 3 yo's in the spring, the florida derby also offers 1 million. blue grass stakes with 750k...but no sinister minister in the top ten.

all i know is, if lawyer ron is so bad, than maybe oxley and ward better reconsider going to the bcc with strong contender...since he's only managed to beat a horse yesterday who evidently has only beaten bad horses. you'd think a bunch of other bad-horse-beaters would come to ark for the easy money as well...
i hope some day i own a rotten mule like lawyer ron, i'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

[Pointg5]

He beat a hell alot of horses when he was reeling off his wins, he can only beat who runs against him. Correct? isn't that what you guys are arguing...Let's see what kind of number comes out of this race, I have a feeling it's going to be pretty good....

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

He beat a hell alot of horses when he was reeling off his wins, he can only beat who runs against him. Correct? isn't that what you guys are arguing...Let's see what kind of number comes out of this race, I have a feeling it's going to be pretty good....

But can you name ONE that was good? LOL

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't really get what you are asking but the point is, Lawyer Ron fans have been making excuses for two days now. You attempted to try and compare he and Bernardini and it was a bad comparison.

If you can't understand that you are arguing the same thing, by saying that LR beat no one, but Bernardini has beat all of the ones they put in the gate, how is that not contradicting yourself...I guess you are too assinine to figure it out...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No no, my point was after the Saratoga races everyone was questioning the competition that Bernardini was facing. Well by that same logic who has Lawyer Ron faced? For 2 days a lot are trying to blame the jock, when in fact Lawyer Ron should have won yesterday, rank or not. I think Lawyer Ron is a horse that is talented no doubt, by not in the same league as Bernardini, Discreet Cat, Bluegrass Cat, Barbaro, or Showing Up.

and i agree completely with that! they can't all be top tier.
like i said, different folks will always question what horses beat. thing is, the horses have no control at all over who they face. all they can do is try their best. thank goodness for the horses mental well being, they can't read!! they'd all be in therapy!!

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No no, my point was after the Saratoga races everyone was questioning the competition that Bernardini was facing. Well by that same logic who has Lawyer Ron faced? For 2 days a lot are trying to blame the jock, when in fact Lawyer Ron should have won yesterday, rank or not. I think Lawyer Ron is a horse that is talented no doubt, by not in the same league as Bernardini, Discreet Cat, Bluegrass Cat, Barbaro, or Showing Up.

I never once blamed the jock, I don't think it was his fault, maybe he should have let him run, but who knows if that would have made a difference...I said the whole thing is on LR...He should have won yesterday, but he didn't, no excuses from me, he went too fast too early...

SC ran a huge Sheet # at Belmont, he's a much better horse than I thought, for LR to run like he did against him really impressed me...I am tired of this conversation and I am out...I should be happy, the Bengals won today...I am sorry Dahoss for using the F bomb on you, that was uncalled for, but I didn't like the tone you were using with me...I edited the post and pm'd Kasept to tell him what I did, I feel bad for doing that...It's just a message board and I shouldn't get so heated...

[slotdirt]

Sweetnorthernsaint is back working again....I'm hoping he can become the monster we all thought he could be pre-Derby. I think his Preakness performance, all things considered, was pretty brave. Many a horse would have gave up that day.