Ted Turner

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Your problem, DTS is that your obvious hatred for George Bush has paralyzed parts of your brain...every issue somehow ends up as George's fault! You lack clarity...of course you can use past references when talking about the present! If you think that the folks in Iran are "the same" as other world leaders, you haven't paid attention. Stop the "Hate George" tirade long enough to absorb this simple fact...all people ARE NOT the same. There are two distinct types of people...good and evil. Sometimes, good people will commit evil acts but evil people will never do good unless it's a shortcut to some evil end! The clowns in Iran WANT to die in a blaze of fire, in their perverted minds, that will lead to eternal glory! Give folks like that the means to commit mass murder and they WILL commit mass murder. There have always been evil people but most have had an element of self-preservation...Saddam has it, so did Hitler, so did Stalin. They committed horrible acts but they always were looking out for their own survival...not so with these fanatics, they welcome death! When you care about your own survival, there is no point to ending the world as we know it (as would have been the case in the Cuban situation), no point in attacking an elephant with a BB gun (as would be the situation should any of the world's nuclear countries start a nuclear confrontation with US, Britain and Israel)...but when you welcome death...why not kill millions of "infidels"? Stop the constant comparisons of our elected leader with terrorists and other maniacs, it invalidates any points you may make!

Somerfrost,
On a recent thread I posted the fallacies of debating tactics that you just presented.
I'll repeat....
1) Insults. Stating that I "lack clarity" and that parts of my brain have been paralyzed is not a valid arguement, and very untrue. I assure you, I HAVE paid attention.
2) Implication. Twisting the others words to "hear" what you thought was stated. Never did I compare Bush with terrorists, only a democratically elected president in another country, Iran.

You are certainly entitled to your views. If you would like to cite FACTS, I'd be happy to continue the diologue on the TOPIC (not ME).
If you are unable to do so, there is no need to continue.
DTS

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My guess is that you couldn't come up with any facts.
Here's a quote for you:
"Opinions are like armpits, everyone has them, and they usually stink."

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On a final note....

Cherokee Wisdom:

Two Wolves

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a
battle that goes on inside people.
He said, "My son, the battle is between two
"wolves" inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret,
greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false
pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather:
"Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

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DTS says..."the democratically elected president of Iran"....OMG, you are hopeless! I suppose you think that Castro, Saddam and other such heros of your's were "democratically elected" also...why don't you move to Iran...that way, you can take part in their democracy (sic) and protest in the streets against the devil George Bush...this is my last post to you, wolves or not!

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

DTS says..."the democratically elected president of Iran"....OMG, you are hopeless! I suppose you think that Castro, Saddam and other such heros of your's were "democratically elected" also...why don't you move to Iran...that way, you can take part in their democracy (sic) and protest in the streets against the devil George Bush...this is my last post to you, wolves or not!

See ya...
Go smell your arm pits.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

On a final note....

Cherokee Wisdom:

Two Wolves

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a
battle that goes on inside people.
He said, "My son, the battle is between two
"wolves" inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret,
greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false
pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather:
"Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

DTS: I like the story,except I use Spirit and Flesh in the appropriate spots!

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I post this for the "insulters", "name callers", and others that seek to voice their "opinions" without providing substantiating facts.
Nothing prevents meaningful dialogue more than these "tactics".

“Devil” in the Details:
Chavez, Limbaugh and Hypocrisy over Name-Calling

by Jeff Cohen

Across the U.S. political and media spectrum, there was wide agreement yesterday: Name-calling and personal attacks are bad for national and global dialogue. Prompting the unity were Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’ comments that President Bush was the devil incarnate, “El Diablo.”

Among those exercised (and exorcized) about Chavez’ name-calling were some of the loudest name-callers in American media today -- including Rush Limbaugh and other rightwing talk hosts. Limbaugh tried to equate Chavez’ remarks with the alleged Bush-bashing that comes from top U.S. Democrats. In case you’ve forgotten, it was Limbaugh who ridiculed Chelsea Clinton, then 13, as the “White House dog.”

It was Limbaugh in 2001 who routinely referred to Democratic leader Tom Daschle, literally, as “El Diablo.” Along with “Devil in a Blue Dress” theme music, Limbaugh would carry on at length about how Daschle may well be Satan in soft-spoken disguise. Bellowed Limbaugh in July 2001: “Just yesterday, as Bush winged his way to Europe on a crucial mission to lead our allies into the 21st century…up pops ‘El Diablo,’ Tom Daschle, and his devilish deviltry, claiming that George Bush is incompetent.” (Months later, Limbaugh started describing Daschle more as a traitor than a devil, who’d decided to “align himself with Iran, North Korea and Hussein.”)

Also incensed by Chavez was MSNBC host and former GOP Congressman, Joe Scarborough – who last night played a lengthy excerpt of Limbaugh pontificating about the Chavez remarks. Somehow Scarborough couldn’t dig up the tapes of Limbaugh declaring that Daschle was the devil.

In my new book Cable News Confidential: My Misadventures in Corporate Media, I dissect the hypocrisy of a TV news business that has long catered to hateful rightists like Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell and Ann Coulter. In TV land, vicious epithet-hurlers get to define and denounce outnumbered or silenced progressives as the name-callers.

When I worked at MSNBC on Phil Donahue’s primetime show in 2002-2003, management often complained that Phil – who never named-called and was one of the most courteous hosts in TV history -- was “badgering” guests. His patriotism was questioned. As the Iraq invasion neared, an internal NBC management memo described Donahue as “a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war.” Why? Because he insisted on presenting guests who were “skeptical of the administration’s motives.”

With Donahue terminated on the eve of war, MSNBC brass turned to hosts like Scarborough and talk radio bigot Michael Savage, known for his declarations that developing countries like Venezuela were “turd world nations”; that Latinos “breed like rabbits”; and that women “should have been denied the vote.” In a TV industry bent on placating the far right, Donahue was “a difficult public face for NBC.” But Savage was deemed an acceptable face.

Three weeks into the Iraq war, Scarborough was gleeful at boycotts and cancellations aimed at antiwar “elitists” like Janeane Garofalo, Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon. As a guest on Scarborough’s show, Savage declared that “Hollywood idiots” are “absolutely committing sedition and treason.” Responded Scarborough: “These leftist stooges for anti-American causes are always given a free pass.”

Let me be clear: Those of us who use facts instead of rant; reason and argument instead of name-calling and personal attacks; evidence instead of intimidation and accusations of disloyalty -- we have the moral authority to tell Hugo Chavez that his comments were out of line.

But the Limbaughs, Hannitys, Scarboroughs and O’Reillys are in no position to point any fingers. Nor are the executives at Disney, GE and News Corp who have made them the loudest voices in American media.

Nor, for that matter, is Team Bush -- whose strategy has been to demonize and intimidate critics and other members of the “reality-based community.”

Jeff Cohen is the founder of the media watch group FAIR, and author of Cable News Confidential: My Misadventures in Corporate Media.

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In the late 90's I took my little brother to a Reds Braves game down in Cincy. We had good seats down by the field between home plate and 1st base. Bout the second inning a man sits down next to my brother. I look over and think my goodness that looks like Ted Turner. The Braves hat gave it away, so I ask, are you by chance Ted Turner. He smiles, offers his hand in a handshake and it became a wonderful afternoon of baseball and chat with Ted Turner. Here I am sitting at a Reds game next to Ted Turner talking it up about all kinds of things. What struck me the most was him asking me questions about my life! Me of all people. He was so nice to my brother as well. I will always hold him in high regard after this.

If you ever get the chance to read a book he co wrote about how CNN came about do it. It is very interesting reading and gives you an inside look at his work ethic, etc..