McLaughlin with 3 positives; Gets 30 day ban..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Gander

If this were Dutrow...

Oh boy.

Dutrow by ALL accounts is an elite horseman, when he is on his game. While is certainly has had substantial issue on and off the track, he will never be just a chemist. That doesnt mean I exclude him as a cheater just that I recognize he could suceed in the industry tomorrow if you couldn't give a horse a vitamin nevermind meds.

Is there a better interview or more open personality in the sport?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Dutrow by ALL accounts is an elite horseman, when he is on his game. While is certainly has had substantial issue on and off the track, he will never be just a chemist. That doesnt mean I exclude him as a cheater just that I recognize he could suceed in the industry tomorrow if you couldn't give a horse a vitamin nevermind meds.

Is there a better interview or more open personality in the sport?

I would agree on all counts and yes, he is a very interesting and "real" character in a sport clearly lacking in personalities.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Dutrow by ALL accounts is an elite horseman, when he is on his game. While is certainly has had substantial issue on and off the track, he will never be just a chemist. That doesnt mean I exclude him as a cheater just that I recognize he could suceed in the industry tomorrow if you couldn't give a horse a vitamin nevermind meds.

Is there a better interview or more open personality in the sport?

I may be in the minority, but from the interviews you can see a guy who seems to have a big heart for the things he loves...

It also would have been incredibly easy for him to walk away from his daughter when her mother was killed and let her fall into the state system. I really respect that he did the right thing.

[TouchOfGrey]

It also would have been incredibly easy for him to walk away from his daughter when her mother was killed and let her fall into the state system. I really respect that he did the right thing.

To paraphrase Chris Rock, "You're supposed to take care of your kids."

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I may be in the minority, but from the interviews you can see a guy who seems to have a big heart for the things he loves...

It also would have been incredibly easy for him to walk away from his daughter when her mother was killed and let her fall into the state system. I really respect that he did the right thing.

The guy can flat out train horses. So I assume he knows when and where a horse is hurting. Which unfortunately can lead to racing a horse with a "fixed" issue. It's a fine line..One minute you are "House" the next minute you are headed to the Big House..

[CSC]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Dutrow by ALL accounts is an elite horseman, when he is on his game. While is certainly has had substantial issue on and off the track, he will never be just a chemist. That doesnt mean I exclude him as a cheater just that I recognize he could suceed in the industry tomorrow if you couldn't give a horse a vitamin nevermind meds.

Is there a better interview or more open personality in the sport?

I am just curious, if drugs weren't in the equation and were wiped off of the earth who would be the best Trainer/horseman today and who would be the best Trainer statswise from a winning % point of view?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by CSC

I am just curious, if drugs weren't in the equation and were wiped off of the earth who would be the best Trainer/horseman today and who would be the best Trainer statswise from a winning % point of view?

Cannon Shell.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Cannon Shell.

Yeah I put that one right on the tape for you to tap in.

Edit: I'm sure Cannon shell's win % would perk up from the fall out. He's had a couple 2nds I think that may have turned out to be wins...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Yeah I put that one right on the tape for you to tap in.

Edit: I'm sure Cannon shell's win % would perk up from the fall out. He's had a couple 2nds I think that may have been wins...

My win % has far more to do with my willingness to actually run horses and the distinct lack of talent of most of said horses than it does about drugs. It has been pretty common knowledge that they were giving something to the horses on the way to the paddock. There are a few on this board who I told this to years ago.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

My win % has far more to do with my willingness to actually run horses and the distinct lack of talent of most of said horses than it does about drugs. It has been pretty common knowledge that they were giving something to the horses on the way to the paddock. There are a few on this board who I told this to years ago.

How do you get horses with talent? The HorseTalent Depot?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How do you get horses with talent? The HorseTalent Depot?

Trick rich owners into thinking I will cheat if I want to but can really train if i choose not to cheat?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

My win % has far more to do with my willingness to actually run horses and the distinct lack of talent of most of said horses than it does about drugs. It has been pretty common knowledge that they were giving something to the horses on the way to the paddock. There are a few on this board who I told this to years ago.

I always wanted to know the answer to this question from a Trainer like yourself Chuck, Trainers that stick within the rules....what goes on in the head of horsemen when you line up against a Aubrey Cody or Brett Calhoun horse before the gates even open? Is it one of exasperation at times...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

I always wanted to know the answer to this question from a Trainer like yourself Chuck, Trainers that stick within the rules....what goes on in the head of horsemen when you line up against a Aubrey Cody or Brett Calhoun horse before the gates even open? Is it one of exasperation at times...

On what basis are you inferring that Brett Calhoun is a cheater?

NT

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

I always wanted to know the answer to this question from a Trainer like yourself Chuck, Trainers that stick within the rules....what goes on in the head of horsemen when you line up against a Aubrey Cody or Brett Calhoun horse before the gates even open? Is it one of exasperation at times...

Sure it is frustrating but I keep hoping that the dopes in charge (no pun intended) will finally bridge the gap a bit and the OWNERS who knowingly support the multiple offenders will stop accepting what really amounts to dirty money. The problem with this topic is that positive tests can widely vary in degrees of seriousness and intent yet all seem to fall into a catagory based more upon the likability factor than the revelant evidence.

Short acting bronchodialoters are not only performance enhancing but show absolute intent. These weren't mistakes. The only mistake was getting caught.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

My win % has far more to do with my willingness to actually run horses and the distinct lack of talent of most of said horses than it does about drugs. It has been pretty common knowledge that they were giving something to the horses on the way to the paddock. There are a few on this board who I told this to years ago.

How do they hide the nebulizer for this drug? It has no efficacy when given orally or when absorbed through the mucus membranes (lets say they place it in the mouth).

If this is the drug, they are nebulizing as close to walkover to the pre-race holding as possible (as the drug effect is so short). I can only think they would be trying to give COPD horses an advantage after their pre-race clenbuterol withdrawal, but it sure wouldn't be much with this.

BTW, this drug has been shown not to have any change on exercise ability. It's not much alone.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

How do they hide the nebulizer for this drug? It has no efficacy when given orally or when absorbed through the mucus membranes (lets say they place it in the mouth).

If this is the drug, they are nebulizing as close to walkover to the pre-race holding as possible (as the drug effect is so short). I can only think they would be trying to give COPD horses an advantage after their pre-race clenbuterol withdrawal, but it sure wouldn't be much with this.

BTW, this drug has been shown not to have any change on exercise ability. It's not much alone.

I'll try to say this a kindly as possible but you are putting out misleading info while being absolutely offbase.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Who does this implicate?

Their mom and dads?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Their mom and dads?

They were all adopted.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by CSC

I am just curious, if drugs weren't in the equation and were wiped off of the earth who would be the best Trainer/horseman today and who would be the best Trainer statswise from a winning % point of view?

Gary Stevens?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Gary Stevens?

I was thinking Jamie Sanders.