Commentator ?

ateamstupid · #1 04-15-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

what did you ask ?

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jcs11204 · #2 04-15-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

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i dont know....
i guess if a trainer runs 2-3 horses at him he cant win, if not he crusies...

does not seem fair to me, that a monster like him is derailed because of rabbits... beat him on your own... he is a 7 yr old, ny bred, gelding

ateamstupid · #3 04-15-2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i dont know....
i guess if a trainer runs 2-3 horses at him he cant win, if not he crusies...

does not seem fair to me, that a monster like him is derailed because of rabbits... beat him on your own... he is a 7 yr old, ny bred, gelding

Sure it's fair. Learn to rate. Good horses do it. If anything, it's not fair to the rabbits.

jcs11204 · #4 04-15-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sure it's fair. Learn to rate. Good horses do it. If anything, it's not fair to the rabbits.

ok so now, he's not even good ?

its not fair, i remember when they did it to him, some ppl were disgusted with dutrow, i dont like it, its not good for the game... JUST BEAT HIM.... hes 7

hockey2315 · #5 04-15-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

ok so now, he's not even good ?

its not fair, i remember when they did it to him, some ppl were disgusted with dutrow, i dont like it, its not good for the game... JUST BEAT HIM.... hes 7

you're not making any sense - first he's the best horse in the galaxy (right in front of his cousin cowboy cal) - and then he's just an old, ny bred, gelding. . . if he's as good as you say he is then why shouldn't trainers find a way to compromise him?

jcs11204 · #6 04-15-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

you're not making any sense - first he's the best horse in the galaxy (right in front of his cousin cowboy cal) - and then he's just an old, ny bred, gelding. . . if he's as good as you say he is then why trainers find a way to compromise him?

i dont know...
i guess he's not as good then, if everyone else says that, i must be wrong

hockey2315 · #7 04-15-2008, 01:07 AM

he is INCREDIBLY fast in the right situation- like maybe in a workout or with a loose lead or something- but in real races he always spits the bit. . . that's why he's not great

slotdirt · #8 04-15-2008, 03:05 PM

It's at time like this that I'm particularly pleased the Derby Trail forums have flood control.

ateamstupid · #9 04-15-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

ok so now, he's not even good ?

its not fair, i remember when they did it to him, some ppl were disgusted with dutrow, i dont like it, its not good for the game... JUST BEAT HIM.... hes 7

So knowing that Commentator will likely be gone if he's loose on the lead, the connections of other horses should just let him go?

If Commentator can't rate, THAT'S A MAJOR FLAW, and that's his problem, not that of the other owners or trainers. Their jobs are to win the race, not run second because it's "bad for the game" not to let a one-dimensional speed horse win every race he enters.

I thought what Dutrow did was excessive, but the premise isn't unethical. It's smart.

miraja2 · #10 04-15-2008, 08:24 AM

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I can't believe this thread is still going. As I see it Commentator isn't as bad as being discussed here or as good as being discussed.

Commentator has major issues, obviously, as he's only made 17 starts as a 7 year old. He's not a classic horse, but it didn't stop him from beating Saint Liam going 9 furlongs. He's very fast, but is pretty unaffective if he doesn't make the lead. That's about it. In a year like this, if he can somehow stay healthy he could have a nice year. While I'm not ready to hand him the Whitney trophy, considering the depth of older horses running right now, it's at least possible he could win a two turn race.

It is nice to see someone actually take a reasonable approach to this horse.

PG85,
As you can see in this thread I have already defended Commentator, but to say that the horse is going to have a "monster year" is ignoring this horse's entire history. He has major health concerns, and the odds are he won't even make enough starts to have anything that could reasonably called a monster year. Also, as others have pointed out, if he starts running in G1s, he can be neutralized by the connections of others entering rabbits.
He could probably still win a two-turn stakes race at 8.5f, or maybe even 9f, but he would have to find the ABSOLUTE right spot (i.e. no other early speed) for that to happen.